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	<title>Comments on: Protest Ethics: Christmas, the ACLU, and Ignorance</title>
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		<title>By: Jack Marshall</title>
		<link>http://ethicsalarms.com/2009/12/09/protest-ethics-christmas-the-aclu-and-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-456</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THIRD Amendment? You&#039;re being droll, aren&#039;t you! Yes, it&#039;s true---no soldiers are being quartered in American homes. Great job, everybody!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIRD Amendment? You&#8217;re being droll, aren&#8217;t you! Yes, it&#8217;s true&#8212;no soldiers are being quartered in American homes. Great job, everybody!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Marshall</title>
		<link>http://ethicsalarms.com/2009/12/09/protest-ethics-christmas-the-aclu-and-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Marshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t disagree with any of this. My bias as a lawyer comes into play, however: I see no genuine harm in a town having displays of a community cultural event, including displays that relate to the eligious origins of the holiday. I agree that candy canes and Santa without &quot;Silent Night&quot; and &quot;Do You Hear What I  Hear?&quot; is a rather denatured Christmas. STILL: the establishment clause says what it says. A government celebrating ( or appearing to celelebrate) one religion or ist symbols while not doing so for others is close enough to &quot;establishing&quot; for Supreme Court horse shoes. So there we are. I didn&#039;t say I liked it.

Did the F.Fathers intend this result or foresee it? Of course not. They didn&#039;t see the Supreme Court having the power it has now. It didn&#039;t anticipate politically active atheists, either. And Christmas wasn&#039;t celebrated like it is now. There WAS no secular aspect of it.

None of which says that the ACLU is trying to kill Christmas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with any of this. My bias as a lawyer comes into play, however: I see no genuine harm in a town having displays of a community cultural event, including displays that relate to the eligious origins of the holiday. I agree that candy canes and Santa without &#8220;Silent Night&#8221; and &#8220;Do You Hear What I  Hear?&#8221; is a rather denatured Christmas. STILL: the establishment clause says what it says. A government celebrating ( or appearing to celelebrate) one religion or ist symbols while not doing so for others is close enough to &#8220;establishing&#8221; for Supreme Court horse shoes. So there we are. I didn&#8217;t say I liked it.</p>
<p>Did the F.Fathers intend this result or foresee it? Of course not. They didn&#8217;t see the Supreme Court having the power it has now. It didn&#8217;t anticipate politically active atheists, either. And Christmas wasn&#8217;t celebrated like it is now. There WAS no secular aspect of it.</p>
<p>None of which says that the ACLU is trying to kill Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim LeVier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim LeVier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I otherwise enjoyed the article and agree that the ACLU is well intentioned but sometimes misguided.  That is to be expected when you have a case that pits 2 freedoms against each other.  

I personally believe that whoever is defending the 3rd Amendment is doing an amazing job.  I seriously think they&#039;ve upheld it 1000% percent of the time and applaud their efforts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I otherwise enjoyed the article and agree that the ACLU is well intentioned but sometimes misguided.  That is to be expected when you have a case that pits 2 freedoms against each other.  </p>
<p>I personally believe that whoever is defending the 3rd Amendment is doing an amazing job.  I seriously think they&#8217;ve upheld it 1000% percent of the time and applaud their efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim LeVier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim LeVier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Bob &amp; Jack,

  I read Bob&#039;s article a couple days ago, and now it&#039;s come up here, where I do my posting.  I have to agree with Bob on this one.  I&#039;d rather see some Jewish and Islamic displays in town center to accompany Christian displays than no displays ever.  

   I think too many times, people look at a lack of Islamic or Jewish recognition as bias in support of Christians.  I look at it as laziness on their parts to promote their holidays.  Just because everyone else sits on their rights shouldn&#039;t mean that Christians should lose theirs.  

  I know the next logical argument is to bring up Atheists and how it is offensive to them to even witness religion or holiday spirit.  Quite frankly, I&#039;ve never come across a more intolerant point of view.  

  The idea that a person can set themselves up to never experience another person&#039;s point of view in a mixed society or any society is ludicrous.  It would be akin to having a religion of a master race and having to interact with &quot;lesser humans&quot; that offend you because of their physical appearance and other genetic factors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Bob &amp; Jack,</p>
<p>  I read Bob&#8217;s article a couple days ago, and now it&#8217;s come up here, where I do my posting.  I have to agree with Bob on this one.  I&#8217;d rather see some Jewish and Islamic displays in town center to accompany Christian displays than no displays ever.  </p>
<p>   I think too many times, people look at a lack of Islamic or Jewish recognition as bias in support of Christians.  I look at it as laziness on their parts to promote their holidays.  Just because everyone else sits on their rights shouldn&#8217;t mean that Christians should lose theirs.  </p>
<p>  I know the next logical argument is to bring up Atheists and how it is offensive to them to even witness religion or holiday spirit.  Quite frankly, I&#8217;ve never come across a more intolerant point of view.  </p>
<p>  The idea that a person can set themselves up to never experience another person&#8217;s point of view in a mixed society or any society is ludicrous.  It would be akin to having a religion of a master race and having to interact with &#8220;lesser humans&#8221; that offend you because of their physical appearance and other genetic factors.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Marshall</title>
		<link>http://ethicsalarms.com/2009/12/09/protest-ethics-christmas-the-aclu-and-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Marshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erik: there&#039;s no question that the ACLU has a liberal bias; I implied as much. It overcomes its bias when it counts most, I think. The organization is far from perfect. It still does a good job on the whole.

As for the 2nd---the ACLU obviously believes that the Amendment is a dead letter, like a lot of legit legal scholars. I disagree with them, but nothing in their mission requires an absolutist interpretation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik: there&#8217;s no question that the ACLU has a liberal bias; I implied as much. It overcomes its bias when it counts most, I think. The organization is far from perfect. It still does a good job on the whole.</p>
<p>As for the 2nd&#8212;the ACLU obviously believes that the Amendment is a dead letter, like a lot of legit legal scholars. I disagree with them, but nothing in their mission requires an absolutist interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erik Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That may be true that other organizations look after the Second Amendment, but it does show that the ACLU is selective in what Rights it supports.  And conclusively shows it&#039;s Liberal bias.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may be true that other organizations look after the Second Amendment, but it does show that the ACLU is selective in what Rights it supports.  And conclusively shows it&#8217;s Liberal bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Marshall</title>
		<link>http://ethicsalarms.com/2009/12/09/protest-ethics-christmas-the-aclu-and-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Marshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the Second Amendment&#039;s well taken care of elswhere. Besides, if Meat Loaf says 2 out of 3 ain&#039;t bad, 9 out of 10 is great!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Second Amendment&#8217;s well taken care of elswhere. Besides, if Meat Loaf says 2 out of 3 ain&#8217;t bad, 9 out of 10 is great!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Marshall</title>
		<link>http://ethicsalarms.com/2009/12/09/protest-ethics-christmas-the-aclu-and-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-444</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Marshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob---I replied over at Ethics Challenge. The summary: I like the displays, but acn&#039;t see how one can argue that if a city erects a creche, it&#039;s annointing a particular religion. A minor breach is still a breach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob&#8212;I replied over at Ethics Challenge. The summary: I like the displays, but acn&#8217;t see how one can argue that if a city erects a creche, it&#8217;s annointing a particular religion. A minor breach is still a breach.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erik Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With one exception the ACLU supports the Bill of Rights - the Second Amendment.  The ACLU rarely stands up for the rights of gun owners.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With one exception the ACLU supports the Bill of Rights &#8211; the Second Amendment.  The ACLU rarely stands up for the rights of gun owners.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Stone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you about Hooray for the ACLU, but I disagree about forbidding manger scenes in the town square. Check out my piece at http://bobstonesethicschallenge.blogspot.com/2009/12/nativity-scene-at-courthouse.html.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about Hooray for the ACLU, but I disagree about forbidding manger scenes in the town square. Check out my piece at <a href="http://bobstonesethicschallenge.blogspot.com/2009/12/nativity-scene-at-courthouse.html" rel="nofollow">http://bobstonesethicschallenge.blogspot.com/2009/12/nativity-scene-at-courthouse.html</a>.</p>
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