Jeez, Conservatives! Ever Heard of the Ethical Virtues Prudence, Proportion, Self-Restraint, Respect and Fairness?

#1 is a falsely narrow characterization of marriage; #2 is spreading lies and bigotry, and #3 is a straw man, and a despicable one used in this context.

The movement also plays into the hands of those who want to cast the entire conservative majority in the Court as extremist clones of Clarence Thomas, who is to the right of Genghis Kahn as the cliche goes.

“Marriage policy should be about the children,” Newsweek Senior Editor-at-Large Josh Hammer says in the group’s launch video. “It’s not about bestowing public policy legitimacy and conferring economic benefits when it comes to adults who have their own idiosyncratic desires.”

Wrong, Bigot-Breath! Marriage policy must be about allowing people to form stable family units, the building blocks of civilization. As long as there are legal benefits to being married, it is unconstitutional to withhold those benefits according to irrelevant characteristics like skin color, ethnicity and sexual orientation.

Defining marriage as an institution focused on creating and caring for children is not just delusional but offensive. Do I really have to write about this again? Waaay back when Massachusetts courts ruled that access to marriage was a civil right, Ethics Alarms examined the opinion, based on the Massachusetts state constitution (authored by John Adams) and concluded yup, the legal reasoning is tight, there’s no way around this: same-sex marriage on a national basis is an inevitability. And thus it came to pass even as I foretold.

The quotes of the advocates of this doomed and incendiary movement are unanimously hysterical, counter-factual or drug-induced miasma:

Colson Center CEO John Stonestreet, for example, claims social science data reveals that kids “do best when they are raised in a home with married, biological mom and dad.” What’s “best,” I wonder? I know several happy families with married, same-sex parents, but many more split up, divorced, shared-parenting families where the kids aren’t sure who they should call “Mom.” Does this coalition want to ban divorce? Separation?

“We’re prioritizing the fantasies of adults, no matter how earnestly those fantasies are felt, over the real needs and the real good of children,” The Daily Wire’s Michael Knowles warns. Homosexuality is not a “fantasy” asshole, any more than heterosexuality is. I also know closeted gay men who are in heterosexual marriages and sire kids, while they and their spouses engage in adultery to keep themselves sane. Knowles’ characterization is pure bigotry. Two women who marry to form a family unit and who adopt or have a child by other means should be recognized as infinitely more healthy for children than forced opposite sex unions.

Nobody would dare tell my late father about how two-parent families are indispensable to the health and welfare of children. He was raised by a fierce single mother during the Depression, and would answer, “One caring, loving, responsible parent is far better than two parents when one of them is uncaring, uncommitted, and abusive.”

Southern Baptist Theological Seminary President Al Mohler says that gay marriage “harms children in virtually every way imaginable.” No hyperbole, gross generalization or bias there! Then Heritage Foundation’s Delano Squires notes that “every single child, every single human being is the living embodiment of the relationship between exactly one man and one woman.”

Why thank-you for that, Delano, and may I add, water is wet. So what? Are we saying that marriages that are not focused on procreation don’t count? What are you saying?

All this movement is saying in reality is “We think gay people are icky and sick, and want to return to the good ol’ days when they hid those nasty “proclivities” and we could discriminate against them at will.”

Same sex marriage isn’t going to be overturned, but conservatives will alienate more Americans trying to get it overturned, with potentially disastrous results. If, by some miracle, these reactionaries were successful, the chaos the decision would cause would be widespread and ugly. Expanding rights is always controversial, but removing rights places a stigma on everyone who engaged in what was previously permitted.

Remember, the Supreme Court did not make abortion illegal when it overturned the weak and badly reasoned Roe decision. The law and reasoning in Obergefell was and remains solid, and based on that ruling, millions of families were created, openly and with the blessing of the State, that are thriving today. Declaring those marriages as illicit, harmful, and rejected by the government, as second class unions that stigmatize the couples as well as their children, will accomplish nothing except satisfy obstinate moralists stuck in the cultural norms of primitive populations, when homosexuality was a genuine threat to survival. The costs, however, will be genuinely destructive, not just to gays and same-sex couples, but to society and the U.S. itself.

3 thoughts on “Jeez, Conservatives! Ever Heard of the Ethical Virtues Prudence, Proportion, Self-Restraint, Respect and Fairness?

  1. Wait, I have to be the first to respond?! 😉

    The sexual liberation movement, no matter how it is thought about, is one of the roots of present chaos. This is not a popular idea and it is hard to “prove”. But I have determined it is sound (personal opinion if you wish).

    In upstanding metaphysical systems, not only Christianity and Judaism but others too, sexual disorder is the origin of many different consequential problems.

    Sexual liberation led to all sorts of deviancies and they are connected.

    Still, relatively “normal” coupling (relatively normal homosexual couples) must be tolerated but ‘gently discouraged’. And there must be mechanisms where they can get tax benefits and other similar benefits. But “marriage” (a sacred bonding and indeed in Christianity and Judaism a sacrament) should not ever have been granted.

    I do not have the power to change anyone’s outlook however, so I can only state my position.

  2. All this movement is saying in reality is “We think gay people are icky and sick, and want to return to the good ol’ days when they hid those nasty “proclivities” and we could discriminate against them at will.”

    The “restoration movement” taking form today is varied, complex and certainly fraught. But when it is understood to have a metaphysical grounding, and when the metaphysics are explained, it is then the Christian-grounded social restoration can be understood. Without that grounding however (in intellectually presented ideas: intellectus) Christian sexual mores will seem outmoded and oppressive.

    The real conversation has to do with restoration and rebuilding on all levels, but certainly on the spiritual plane. Watch chaos spread: it will not abate by itself.

    Christopher Dawson is a great resource for understanding genuine (non dogmatic) relationship of religious metaphysics to successful culture.

    https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.202296/page/n3/mode/1up

  3. The movie reference to Animal House is perfect, as this proposal is both stupid and futile. It is stupid and politically suicidal for the GOP as gay marriage was an 80/20 issue, with social conservatives choosing the 20 side of the issue. Bringing this up again is a guaranteed to loose many of those who jumped ship from the Democrats to support Trump in 2024 as the Democrats jumped the shark on DEI, transgender, and immigration. It is also futile as many states have gay marriage enshrined in their state constitutions, and the Full Faith and Credit clause in the Constitution is relevant here, as a marriage that is legally closed in one state is legal in the entire United States of America.

    The organizations who are proposing this should also look at the sobering results of the Dobbs decision: the number of abortions has increased from 79,600 monthly in 2022 to 98,000 by mid 2025. The only tangible result of Dobbs is political, as it is not an election issue anymore at a national level.

    We do not need homosexuality back as a political issue either. Gay and lesbian marriages seem to be as stable as heterosexual marriage (, with gay marriages being more stable than heterosexual marriage and lesbian marriage as less stable than heterosexual marriage). So banning gay marriage is not solving any social problem.

    I am in favor of not having the government in my bedroom, and I am definitely not in favor of trying to impose a particularly religious view on marriage on the entire society. (Heck, I hail from a country that has legal prostitution, and I appreciate a libertarian legal approach to sexuality and other personal matters).

    But for those who are inclined to impose Christian values on society, shouldn’t they prioritize these issues that really affect peoples lives negatively? Should then not look at the fairness of divorce laws and the family court system? Many men complain about this and cite this as reason not to marry (MGTOW). However I am afraid that all those tradcons do not want to touch these real issues with a ten foot pole, and instead prefer to virtue signal on sexual morals.

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