“Well, I don’t know that I would say in a theatrical context that it isn’t true. I believe that when I perform it in a theatrical context in the theater that when people hear the story in those terms that we have different languages for what the truth means.”
—Actor, writer, activist Mike Daisey, in an interview with NPR’s Ira Glass, exploring how Daisey was able to justify fabricating facts and accounts for the earlier aired—and just retracted—“American Life” installment called “Mr. Daisy Goes To The Apple Factory.” NPR checked the particulars of Daisey’s first hand account of the human rights and labor violations he claimed to witness at Apple’s factory in China, and found that the writer had embellished, exaggerated, and misrepresented much of what he reported. What NPR had broadcast as journalistic reporting was an excerpt from Daisey’s acclaimed touring one-man stage show, “The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs.”
Daisey’s quote, which is both illuminating and chilling, argues that using made-up stories and personal accounts in a theatrical context qualifies as truth, even if the same misrepresentations in a journalistic context are inappropriately false. The problem with his argument, and the flawed ethical theory behind it, is that both the NPR audience and his theater audience believe that Daisey is telling the truth. Daisey’s solution to the problem is simple: his one-man show does tell the truth…it just uses lies to do it.
That is what art does, of course, at least in theory: it reveals truth through artifice, imagination and illusion. Daisey, however, wants us to embrace the ethical fallacy of political artists and activists—that the truth is served by using falsehoods to persuade. To his credit, Ira Glass, who was the one most directly duped by Daisey and who feels that he was lied to by the actor, challenges him. Daisey adamantly refuses to admit that he lied:
Mike Daisey: …I stand by it as a theatrical work. I stand by how it makes people see and care about the situation that’s happening there. I stand by it in the theater. And I regret, deeply, that it was put into this context on your show.
Ira Glass: Are you going to change the way that you label this in the theater, so that the audience in the theater knows that this isn’t strictly speaking a work of truth but in fact what they’re seeing really is a work of fiction that has some true elements in it.
Mike Daisey: Well, I don’t know that I would say in a theatrical context that it isn’t true. I believe that when I perform it in a theatrical context in the theater that when people hear the story in those terms that we have different languages for what the truth means.
Ira Glass: I understand that you believe that but I think you’re kidding yourself in the way that normal people who go to see a person talk – people take it as a literal truth. I thought that the story was literally true seeing it in the theater. Brian, who’s seen other shows of yours, thought all of them were true. I saw your nuclear show, I thought that was completely true. I thought it was true because you were on stage saying ‘this happened to me.’ I took you at your word.
Mike Daisey: I think you can trust my word in the context of the theater.
The entire interview is full of double-talk from Daisey like this. Glass raises the example of James Frey, who published a fictional account of his life and called it a memoir, and whose work was briefly defended by Oprah Winfrey (who had recommended it for her book club) because it “connected” with people and carried a “greater truth” beyond its literal accuracy. He might just as well have cited Dan Rather’s continuing defense of his use of a forged document to prove what he fervently believes is the truth of George W. Bush’s special treatment by the National Guard, or Al Gore’s misleading use of photographs to “prove” global warming in “An Inconvenient Truth”, or Oliver Stone’s disorienting mixture of real and imaginary evidence in “J.F.K.”….or Andrew Breitbart’s misleading editing of James O’Keefe’s “sting” video of ACORN offices. This cynical and self-serving, flexible definition of “truth,” which has its roots in totalitarian ideology, is increasingly celebrated by the Left and the Right in the United States today, to our increasing detriment. Since they believe the public is presumptively too fickle, trivial, stupid and apathetic to sort out the real-life complexities of controversial issues, Daisey and the rest believe that their “truth” is served by doing the public;s work for them, by lying. Make no mistake about it: when Daisey goes on stage in what is advertised as an honest account of his experiences, and passes along falsehoods and fabrications as real, he is deceiving his audiences. He is lying.
There is nothing about a stage that magically makes a lie ethically acceptable. Stage performances are, it is true, usually assumed to contain material manipulated for artistic effect, but that means that the audiences know that what is being communicated by the playwright and actors is not literally true—hence, no lying is taking place. But when an actor named Mike Daisey stands on stage as Mike Daisy and says that this is what happened when I went to China, and you, the audience, should adjust your beliefs and conduct accordingly, the audience does not know that. As Glass accurately says, the audience is trusting the individual standing on stage before them to tell the truth–the real truth, not some imaginary, existential, post-modern rationalization of how the truth can be served by falsity.
Daisey tries to justify this elsewhere in the interview because he says it is essential to make the audience care. This is also the rationalization for politicians to tell us half-truths about the bills they want to pass, how journalists justify burying unpleasant facts about leaders they support and causes they like, and how teachers manipulate what students read to create their own political and ideological clones. They are all so sure they are right, that they know “the truth,” that even lies and misrepresentations are not merely justified but virtuous if they make that truth evident to others.
“War is Peace”; “Freedom is Slavery”; “Ignorance is Strength.” I wonder why George Orwell neglected to add “Lies are Truth” to his “1984” party mottos? People like Mike Daisey are profoundly dangerous to democracy and the culture. They endanger the former because they believe it is virtuous to manipulate public opinion using lies, and they are dangerous to the culture because they advocate lying as a legitimate tool of social and political debate. Daisey’s “theater” rationalization is just camouflage.He is one of a large and growing number of activists, ideologues, journalists and political leaders who believe deception is justified in the pursuit of goals and objectives they believe are essential.
Every single one of them should be shunned, rejected and ignored—permanently—once this proclivity has been sufficiently demonstrated.
[You can read the transcript of the retracted NPR broadcast here; Ira Glass’s explanation of the retraction here; and the follow-up interviews with Daisey here.]
[Ethics Alarms Update here]

“Artistic License”, Jack! Under that banner, you can now tell any lie and commit any outrage on the stage or screen. Or, for that matter, in the newsroom.
Good column, Jack. The This American Life (TAL) radio program is the sole reason that I occasionally toss some money NPR’s way. It is, IMO, the best show on radio, and not by a little – it’s always compelling and interesting, even if the subject matter of a given section is occasionally cringeworthy.
With that said, there’s something about last night’s program that I find a little disquieting.
That Glass would devote a full hour (a full week’s work) to this story is in and of itself interesting. On the one hand, a brief segment pointing out the errors in Daisey’s story and formally retracting the earlier piece would certainly have sufficed with regard to any questions of the show’s journalistic integrity.
On the other, the show spent about 45 minutes effectively destroying Mike Daisey. Not that he didn’t deserve it – he certainly did! In the course of same, however, Glass and Company heavily promoted the show in advance, and it got tons of pickup in mainstream media.
The question is: what was Glass’s motivation? Was it because he believed that the breach was so potentially damaging to his show – and public radio, by extension – that he had no choice but to completely and utterly ruin Daisey? Or was he settling scores because he was personally affronted by the lies?
The show on which Daisey first appeared was the most-downloaded show in TAL history – more than 1 million downloads and streams – to say nothing of the regular listening audience. This audience will likely prove much bigger because of the controversy – which raises a third possibility: market decision.
Or of course… some combination of the three.
It WAS one hell of a show, as TAL usually is. I’m just a bit unsettled by the justifications behind it.
Arthur, I think it was a little like the Oprah situation, which was obviously on Ira’s mind. She blew it badly by initially shrugging off Frey’s lies—and note Glass went out of his way to point out that the substance of Daisey’s critique was true. But Glass recognized that he blew it too, and the reason was confirmation bias—like Rather, the fact that what Daisey said he experienced dovetailed with what Glass already believed caused him to take a shortcut in due diligence. Glass admitted his mistake, but it was easier to thrash Daisey than to say—“we are 100% responsible for this; if we did our due diligence, the fact that Daisey makes this stuff up wouldn’t have mattered.”
in 2010, when everyone was throwing roses at the feet of The Social Network, I kept saying, “I really don’t think this is how it went down. It’s SUPPOSED to be a true story, obviously, otherwise they would (or should) have changed the names. But there’s too MUCH artistic license. I really don’t think this whole thing went down like an episode of Law and Order.”
And then people would say, “It’s just meant to be a character study, blahh.” And I’d say, “Well, sure but he did it by filling my head with stuff I don’t know if it’s true or not about a real thing.”
Sure, there’s always some adjustments that have to be made, but if something isn’t as true as possible, (and in the case of Mike Daisey, it’s pretty clear it’s not), then it’s false. How hard is this?
Exactly.
I walked out of “JFK” for the same reason. Film makers have no obligation to tell the truth, but when they suggest that they are telling a factual story, it is unethical to make up facts.
Seconds after I finished reading your post, Jack, I signed out of my email, which automatically took me to Yahoo.com which I would have ignored if not for the following item:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/mike-daisey-gets-standing-ovation-sold-show-american-143919701.html
To answer Jeff’s (rhetorical) question, knowing true from false is not only hard — for Daisey the Comedian and those who applaud him — but immaterial.
Oopsy Daisey is still trying to rationalize his way out of this hole he dug for himself:
http://mikedaisey.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/reports-of-my-death-have-been-greatly.html
It will be interesting to see how attendance at his upcoming shows is affected.
Just posted on Daisey’s response, with a plug to you. Thanks, Fred.
One of my pet peeves…
Daisey gives one of those apologies which aren’t really apologies. “I apologized…to anyone who felt betrayed”.
And he stands by that apology.
I believe you wrote about these types of apologies, Jack.
Yes, and his is a classic of the form.
If someone proposes a bad argument for a good position, it should be destroyed by all involved immediately. To me, this is that situation, but the person proposing it knows it’s a bad argument to begin with. Glass did the right thing, and treated it with the seriousness it deserves. When you supply bad information, you are responsible for making sure that everyone that received the bad information is aware of your correction. A 5 minute correction? That’s going to get lost.
I don’t think there was a word of this post I disagreed with.
See? I end up on “the good side” more than you give me credit for. (I would have been stunned if you, of all people, disagreed with this one.)