Comment Of The Day: “Tuesday That Feels Like A Monday Ethics Catch-Up, 10/13/2020”

I am jumping Mrs. Q’s (characteristically concise, wise, eloquent) Comment of the Day past some others on the runway because it’s object will not have a long shelf-life. She has expressed her reaction to the blog’s unofficial resident contrarian’s recent voluntary exit from the commentariat of Ethics Alarms in a manner that beautifully frames what the ethical values of openness, acceptance, tolerance, empathy, respect and kindness look like in practice. (Let me take this opportunity to nudge Mrs. Q into reconsidering her own decision to suspend the column she has here. Her ratio of commenting excellence remains unmatched, and that forum remains open whenever her other priorities allow her the time to access it.)

For reference purposes, here is Alizia’s own Comment of the Day from last November, which provides a relatively mild sample of her contributions here.

And here is Mrs. Q’s, on item #1 from yesterday’s “Tuesday That Feels Like A Monday Ethics Catch-Up, 10/13/2020.”

“I am one who will miss Alizia. She is what practicing tolerance looks like. Once I lashed out at her. I didn’t like it. She volunteered, in a way, to be an opportunity for others to engage with the dreaded white supremacist (did she actually say she was?). And to be honest, she has conversationally, been much kinder to me than some of the avowed “anti-racists” who comment here.Sometimes I skipped her comments, but when I really read one, I saw something behind our labels and identities (proclaimed or not). Alizia is young and learning. Everyone benefits from challenging conversations, spoken with a willingness to grow. I hope she doesn’t stop growing. She set an example to keep trying to make sense of the world and engage with people who may not always like you. Many are not that brave.”

23 thoughts on “Comment Of The Day: “Tuesday That Feels Like A Monday Ethics Catch-Up, 10/13/2020”

  1. I admit, I’ve read maybe one of Alizia comments. Jack referred to them as “screeds” and I find that to be a fair characterization. After reading Mrs Q’s thoughts… I still dont want to read Alizia’s comments but I certainly have a deeper and more explicit appreciation for the values implied by trying to comment regularly.

  2. Mrs. Q.
    Congratulations on another COTD!

    You wrote, “Alizia is young and learning. Everyone benefits from challenging conversations, spoken with a willingness to grow. I hope she doesn’t stop growing.”

    We have an entirely different perspective of Alizia, I don’t think she is young at all and I think she’s shown an unwillingness to learn. I’ve clearly been one of the most outspoken commenters regarding what Alizia writes and I think Alizia has shown us that she/he is more than willing to question absolutely everything from a philosophical point of view but quite unwilling to learn from what other people write. After nearly five years of reading and interacting with Alizia the intentional patterns have become clear to me, others may have a different perspective.

    It would be interesting to know some factual truths about Alizia to insert into the knowledge base, actual age being one, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

  3. One problem with labels is that they create discrete definitions that are usually unfair. Placing her in the white supremacist category may not accurately describe her political views.

    Where does a person lie on the continuum that measures one’s relative personal bigotry. Each of us is rationally self -interested so we seek to maximize our own welfare. Common interests band together politically to maximize group interests. That is what separates modern civilizations from nomads roaming the countryside.

    Where exactly does the line of demarcation between supremacism and simple common identity politics lie? I often interpreted Aliza’s comments more in keeping with the notion of defending the faith and not irrationally elevating white Christians over all others. My only gripe was that far too often Aliza claimed that other points of view were unable and unwilling to see the truth that she was espousing.

    She will be missed

    • Chris Marschner wrote, “Placing her in the white supremacist category may not accurately describe her political views.”

      I’m not sure I’d use the phrases white supremacist and political views as being rough equivalents as you just did, white supremacy is not a political view. White separatist could be considered a political view and it’s completely clear that Alizia is a white separatist. With either phrase, white supremacist or white separatist, racism is part of it and Alizia has shown racist tendencies towards racism with some of the things she has written over the years.

      • Good point Steve. Unfortunately, socioeconomic policy issues often focus on racial differences. In today’s world any appearance of white advocacy is deemed to be a supremacist belief. Current political views are shaped by the characterization of right leaning persons as being inherently racist. The entire 1619 project and critical race theory is evidence of that belief. Cancel culture ideology is predicated on the predominant political ideology of the left.

  4. As I recall, she had a dry-run of this recently, where she said she was quitting the page, only to re-surface a few days later. Am I the only one with this recollection?

    At any rate, I enjoyed skimming her comments; I rarely read them closely.

    Some of her intellectual habits were as amusing as they were annoying, such as explaining to people what they really think.

    But, you can hardly say that she did not argue in earnest.

    I will miss the contrast her presence brought to the page.

    -Jut

    • JutGory wrote, “As I recall, she had a dry-run of this recently, where she said she was quitting the page, only to re-surface a few days later. Am I the only one with this recollection?”

      No you’re not the only one. I recall this happening a couple of times, she might have just threatened to leave before, I’d have to dig through my archives which would take some time to get a better understanding of these specific instances.

  5. Those of you who were able to get through Alizia’s incomprehensible essays — I admire your grit.

    Good communication is clear and succinct. It is neither lengthy, verbose, nor littered with obscure references at every turn.

    I personally think she is on the autism spectrum. This explains her bizarre beliefs, her communication style, and her deep but obscure knowledge base.

    • “Nail on the head” stuff there, Bobby.

      Aside from her verbosity, I found her sneering, superior, looking down her nose, anti-Yanqui Imperialism bent really annoying. She’s in many ways a South American Marxist like Pope Francis.

      But what really annoys me about Alizia is her reliance on books she’s read (of which there are a great many). If I could say one thing to Alizia it would be “think for yourself!”

      But she’ll be back, churning out paragraphs at her usually prodigious rate.

      • I do, Steve. Big as day. And Steve O has noticed it as well and I think he’s pretty qualified to make such a casual observation.

  6. Thanks for correcting my dredded to dreaded Jack!

    Steve I hear you and don’t totally disagree. However beyond the surface I saw someone who made a commitment to be here and interact, which signaled to me a willingness or desire to learn. I felt disappointed when Chris left too. Now that guy was totally rude (to me) and staggeringly obnoxious at times but he once in a while he revealed points and ideas worth dancing with.

    • I’m still pretty firmly of the opinion Chris was a paid Democratic party online operative. There was a manic intensity and orthodoxy about him that can only be explained by being on someone’s payroll.

      • Other Bill wrote, “I’m still pretty firmly of the opinion Chris was a paid Democratic party online operative. There was a manic intensity and orthodoxy about him that can only be explained by being on someone’s payroll.”

        Think about it Bill, why would the Democratic Party pay someone to troll a site like Ethics Alarms with their shilling comments? I think Chris was fully consumed in progressive ideology and did it because he believed every dang idiotic word he wrote; I don’t for a minute believe that money had anything to do with it.

        For that matter, I don’t think anyone commenting here is paid to comment here.

  7. Alizia will be missed. Her writing style was dense but she wasn’t uninformed, and at times way too arcane, but she challenged prevailing thoughts/ideas and defended her positions with vigor. I disagreed with her on many points, and she mostly kept things above the fray and rarely delved into personal attacks. I hope she comes back.

    jvb

  8. Since we’re eulogizing — this comment shames me. My last reply to Alizia was something flip about self awareness.

    Alizia’s comments were too long, too obscure, and yes, often flirted with scary or even evil ideas. She derailed discussions so she could bring up whatever topic was on her mind, which she always insisted was more important than the topic at hand. It was hard to debate her because it was hard to parse her text, and also because her arguments were premised on her being automatically correct and us-plural being wrong. For such a free and enlightened thinker, she seemed to often parrot whatever book she happened to be studying at the moment. She could be very disrespectful to other commenters — she was vicious to Sparty and showed an appalling lack of empathy for Sparty’s niece.

    Alizia also seemed to be genuinely trying to make sense of her world, through her own personal lens. As others have said, she was not stupid. She read a lot. She knew exactly how to push people’s buttons, and she also attempted to connect with others, especially near the end. She and I had more common ground than we ever really discussed, and she wasn’t wrong that I don’t engage here in much depth myself. In the end, I do believe she was sincere.

    She always took being called a troll, which I accused her of once, as being a vile insult. I’m not prepared to apologize for this. But I would want her to know that the best trolls are extremely intelligent and skilled. They know exactly how to insert themselves in a community and make that community react. She did that.

    And DAMN were her comments a bitch to read on mobile.

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