Comment Of The Day: “Comment Of The Day: ‘Query: How Many Ways Is This Poster Unethical Or Ethically Obtuse?’

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It’s a gift to your host when I can start out with a Comment of the Day, especially on days like this, when I wake up feeling like I lost a bucket of IQ points overnight.

Here is Humble Talent’s Comment of the Day on the Mrs. Q’s discourse on the meme/poster above, and the chiding of pundit Andrew Sullivan, who criticized it:

I’m going to go a step further than Mrs.Q.

Molly said to Sullivan: “People like you would like nothing better than to drop the “T” from LGBT.” To which I would answer: “What’s your point?”

It’s 2020, and everyone seems to have lost all conception of nuance, but even before this especially fraught year, the left was egregiously bad at nuance. Every example of things they didn’t like were compared to the worst thing possible. Everyone was Hitler, or Nazis, or Fascists. That’s not useful. It’s not intelligent. It’s not true. But none of that mattered, every bad thing was and is the worst thing. Similarly, every not-straight thing is LGBT.

I mean… Think about it… Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender…. Sexual preference, sexual preference, sexual preference, gender identity. One of these things is not like the other. And the alphabet soup gets wonkier from there… Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Two Spirit, Curious, Polyamorous, HIV-Positive (actually a thing, Wikipedia tells me). At some point, sexual preference morphed into gender identity, which in turn morphed into biological disorders, kinks, fetishes, and viral load. I’m surprised leather daddies haven’t lobbied for a letter.

The fact of the matter is that including Gay with Trans is a classification error; the experiences and struggles of Gay people and Trans people, without making any judgement on those struggles, are very different, and only tangentially related in that they deal with issues pertaining to people’s sex organs, and where you like to put them. This becomes even more obvious and egregious the further you go into the acronym. Most people don’t even understand what someone is trying to say when they say they’re Two-Spirit, or Questioning, and how similar are “Questioning” people’s issues to issues of Gay or even Trans People.

The reason for the acronym, I am convinced, is that these communities are fractional in size. Gay people are something like 3% of the population, trans people are something like 0.3% of the population, Two Spirit people are a Native American thing, so we’re talking about a fraction of that fraction. These lobbies attached themselves to a Human Rights movement that was getting traction, and because rights movements love a large wagon, no one really questioned their motives. But there’s no doubt in my mind that many of the Marriage Equality proponents of the 80’s and 90’s would be absolutely horrified at what their movement was hijacked into being.

For the historical revisionists out there: Gay Marriage would have eventually been a thing with or without the Trans-Queer-Questioning-Intersex-Asexual-Two-Spirit-Curious-Polyamorous-HIV-Positive-Leather-Daddy coalition. Just because you marched beside us then doesn’t mean we owe you until you have whatever vague sexual actualization you’re looking for. The kink train got way too weird a long time ago, and I want the fuck off it.

15 thoughts on “Comment Of The Day: “Comment Of The Day: ‘Query: How Many Ways Is This Poster Unethical Or Ethically Obtuse?’

  1. Well said HT. It makes sense to me.
    I fully anticipate a similar fracturing among those who have formed the BIPOC coalition. When one part of that coalition feels another is taking advantage or free riding the infighting begins and the coalition collapses.

    • Nah, the BIPOCs have their acronym nailed down, when fakers like Rachel Dolezal try to pretend they belong, they shun the living bejesus out of them. I’m still waiting for Talcum X to fall from grace.

      • I think there may be room for fracture, HT. If they include Hispanics and Asians and even Indigenous people, there’s plenty of discord potential.

        • Not necessarily. BIPOC means anti-white. It literally is everything except people of European descent. People of European descent are 11% of the world’s population. Having a small minority to blame everything on can be very unifying.

  2. I’m glad Jack posted this as a comment of the day. I realized over night I should pipe up.

    HT, strictly from a personal, completely selfish perspective, I really enjoy the hell out of your being here as a stalwart and standout in the EA commentariat. I’ve long wondered why gay guys can’t think rationally like any other thinking human beings instead of being trapped in gay groupthink. What does one’s sexual orientation have to do with how one perceives the world? Aren’t we all humans with human concerns regardless of whom we are attracted to?

    My answer to so much of what I’ll call the queer movement is militating for seems to be represented in the untoward affection for Judy Garland and her singing “Somewhere Over the Rainbow.” She observes, “Birds fly over the rainbow,” before asking “Why, oh why can’t I?” To which the logical answer is, “Because you’re not a bird?”

    In my all guys college class of two hundred in the late sixties and early seventies, there was a group of probably six or eight gay guys who all ran together. Everybody knew they were different but there was a dignity in the way they carried themselves. I think they just wanted to be able to be together and left alone to socialize with each other, sing in the choir, be in the music and theater departments and write theater reviews in the paper. Tragically, the vast majority of them perished in the AIDS epidemic. But they were comfortable being who they were. I admire that in gay people who are much more than just their sexual orientation.

    And by the way, I think your three percent is significantly too low. I’m guessing a full ten percent of the population is gay or lesbian. You need to include all the closeted people or people who just haven’t really figured it out. A favorite observation of mine, attributed to William F. Buckley (which may very well be apocryphal) is, “If only three percent of the population is gay, I’ve met all of them.”

    Thanks again and cheers.

    • From Rod Dreher:

      According to private polling shared with Intelligencer by Democratic data scientist David Shor, roughly 30 percent of American women under 25 identify as LGBT; for women over 60, that figure is less than 5 percent.
      …Take this seriously. Has anything like this ever happened to any society, ever? Three out of ten women under the age of 25 consider themselves to be gay or transgender.

    • “I’ve long wondered why gay guys can’t think rationally like any other thinking human beings instead of being trapped in gay groupthink.”

      Fear of bigotry from other communities, fear of being ostracized by a community that they fear might be the only one they’re not an outsider to, fear that there are no other communities who intuitively understand their emotional needs… The same reason any member of a minority group might engage in groupthink, in addition to the reasons that apply to all humans.

      “What does one’s sexual orientation have to do with how one perceives the world? Aren’t we all humans with human concerns regardless of whom we are attracted to?”

      Yes, but some people don’t believe that, and they actively threaten and ostracize people because of that, and that shapes the worldview of the people so threatened and ostracized.

    • “I’ve long wondered why gay guys can’t think rationally like any other thinking human beings instead of being trapped in gay groupthink.”

      I think the answer was partially explained when I said. “We spent decades telling people “We’re just like you, we aren’t dirty, degenerates, or evil.” against the backdrop of floats featuring men suspended in gimp gear being beaten by furries with wifflebats.” later on in the comment thread. I am sure, positive, that there are all kinds of people around you that are gay, but you don’t know it, because most of us wake up, scratch, throw on our workpants and head off to a day that looks remarkably like yours. We blend in. And so what you’re left noticing are the people that do things that make themselves noticeable.

      • Maybe it’s the world I inhabit, HT. Both my piano teachers are gay, as are their partners/spouses, of course, who in one case have become numerous over the years. One of my piano technicians is gay, as is his now former partner. A good friend (a fellow piano student and oncologist) is gay, as is his now former husband. Maybe it’s my involvement in studying piano that’s led to my having so many gay friends and acquaintances? But there are others. I have a number of gay relatives (out and not, over various generations). I grew up around Roman Catholic nuns, priests and brothers, the vast majority of whom (I assume?) were content being in, or sought out for obvious reasons, same sex organizations, one of whom (a teacher) solicited a friend for a homosexual liaison while we were in high school. Three to four percent just seems too low a percentage to me or anyone else who pays attention, HT.

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