Note To Democrats And Progressive Totalitarians: Trolling Is Protected Speech

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A member of the House of Representatives, backed by thousands of likes and retweets, erupted:

AOC twet mug

From this we learn much. AOC is considered a leader of the Democratic Party, and her comment is signature significance, for her, any party that tolerates her, and anyone who votes for her. We know that the progressive mob wants to suppress, censor and punish any statement, information, or opinion that in any way threatens their ambitions. Because of the unethical alliance between their forces and the mainstream news media, Big Tech and social media, Democrats have been successful in content-based censorship without running afoul of the First Amendment, because the private sector is doing the part’s dirty work—the societal control of information to manipulate the public—for it. Mugs, like T-shirts, have never been considered serious public discourse, because they aren’t. Nonetheless, this House member wants them banned if they annoy her, and millions of Americans who would gladly send non-conforming neighbors to gulags fall right into line.

The mug’s text doesn’t even qualify as a lie. Opinions aren’t lies. If anyone should want that distinction understood, it should be AOC, since she routinely issues opinions that are consistent with with neither reality, law, nor common sense. Even if the message on the mug were a lie, it would be protected. The Supreme Court ruled in 2012 that lies are protected speech unless they cross the line into criminal fraud. Does Ocasio-Cortez know that? Oh, I doubt it. If she does know it, then she is deliberately misleading the public in a far more harmful way than Donald Trump is by saying that he won.

It is by recognizing such casual disrespect for freedom of speech by our elected leaders that we know, or should know, how imperiled it is.

34 thoughts on “Note To Democrats And Progressive Totalitarians: Trolling Is Protected Speech

  1. Taking pot-shots at Ocasio Cortez is like shooting fish in a barrel. Nevertheless, this is a perfect example of a case where it needs to be done.

    It cannot be said enough that the Democrats are successfully circumventing the First Amendment by deputizing private businesses via wink-and-nod agreements. Remember when the infamous Lois Learner of the IRS took the message from former president Obama and congressional leaders to refuse 501.c.3 recognition to any applicant that might be non-conforming to the Democratic party line? This is the same thing, only “legal.”

    I imagine several left-leaning Internet retailers will indeed remove the product if it actually exists (photoshopping is alive and well), and I wouldn’t be shocked to learn that some hosting providers threatened retailers using their services who don’t comply with Ocasio Cortez’s clarion call for censorship.

    Signature significance? You betcha, example no. 100,024 and all from the same person. Nearly every utterance from the mouth (or keyboard) of Ocasio Cortez is logically incoherent, outright ignorant, or a call for a violation by the government and its agents of the Constitutional rights of Americans.

    The fact that far, far too many people agree with her and are equally incoherent and ignorant is what makes this all so irredeemably tragic.

  2. I don’t know how to answer for a thing like AOC. She makes me cringe in a way that if I happened to find my self alone in an elevator with her, I’d clean her clock (told you I was cranky). What I think it is, is that she is an embarrassment to my gender. Give her a $5 Starbucks and a vocal fry and she’d be the meme-iest of memes and a social media joke – if she isn’t already. I choose to surround myself with kick-ass broads because they make me a better woman. I raised a brilliant, kick-ass daughter who is a kind, thoughtful, empathetic wife and mother, and a ferocious advocate for her medical patients. But AOC is a &*%^#$@ poster girl?

    When men make fun of AOC and women like her, I don’t even get mad about it. I just cringe; because it’s deserved.

    • A U.S. congresswoman wearing a borrowed gown that says “Tax the Rich” across her ass. Made me think having only men in congress was a heck of an idea.

  3. It was Alexandria Ocasio Cortez who informed us that the three branches of government were the Presidency, the House, and the Senate. Not only did she not watch Schoolhouse Rock, she paid no attention in eighth-grade civics. So I’m confident she has no grasp of Supreme Court decisions. I would also wager she’s never read a decision and probably couldn’t read one with any serious comprehension.

    I might buy one of those mugs just to spite her.

    Anyways, you’re exactly right. The Left side of government has far less speech to take away when they can get companies and corporations to do it for them. Those companies must not realize that eventually, it will be their turn to be silenced. The stupid is spreading.

  4. Methinks she does protest too much. If the message doesn’t actually touch a nerve, why wouldn’t she want the “losers” to out themselves by displaying such a mug? Of course the “note” (allegedly) from Trump is a joke from the get-go and a sure-fire troll for those of her ilk.

  5. You have clearly misunderstood the problem. Trolling REPUBLICANS is protected speech. Trolling Democrats is not. Please update the post accordingly. (Sarcasm mode off)

    And, unfortunately, that’s likely how Cortez and her ilk view the situation. Trying to silence your opponents is a sign of weakness.

  6. As much as I diskike AOC…opinions (if believed) can’t be a lie, but an opinion can be false, which to be fair, is what AOC said. She would be correct.

      • I thought I was pretty clear. AOC never called the statement a lie, she called it “factually incorrect.” Which would be correct. You’re attacking something she never said.

        If I said “I think the earth is flat” that would be factually incorrect right? It would also not be a lie since it’s my opinion.

        AOC never said it was a lie.

        • I don’t why you (or anyone) is nitpicking on this. It’s an opinion.The statement is the Joe “knows” Trump won. I don’t know what Joe knows, if anything. Trump is stating that Joe knows that something was crooked with teh election. I find that a dubious contention, but what Joe “knows” is not a known fact. Similarly, if Trump said, “Hillary, you know the Russian collusion story is a scam,” all sorts of Democrats, perhaps even you, might have said, “That’s factually incorrect.” But it wasn’t, was it?

          The post was about AOC stating that the comment “should be banned.” I wrote,

          “The mug’s text doesn’t even qualify as a lie. Opinions aren’t lies. If anyone should want that distinction understood, it should be AOC, since she routinely issues opinions that are consistent with with neither reality, law, nor common sense. Even if the message on the mug were a lie, it would be protected. The Supreme Court ruled in 2012 that lies are protected speech unless they cross the line into criminal fraud. Does Ocasio-Cortez know that? Oh, I doubt it. If she does know it, then she is deliberately misleading the public in a far more harmful way than Donald Trump is by saying that he won.”

          You, and a previous commenter, are trying to use a tangential quibble to deflect that point. Why, I don’t know, but it doesn’t speak well of you.

          • You’re the one who said an opinion can’t be a lie. But AOC never said it was a lie. You keep bringing up “lie” even though AOC never uttered the word. She said “factually incorrect”

            Are you really arguing that an opinion can’t be factually incorrect?

            And are you now really arguing that AOC isn’t addressing the factually incorrect statement that Trump won the election? That’s the point of the mug and that’s what AOC is addressing.

            Everyone knows this.

            • I’m saying that opinion ISN’T factually incorrect to the extent that AOC’s statement is necessarily true. Of course, her opinion isn’t true or untrue either. The difference is that I don’t advocate banning her statements because she’s asserting as true what she can’t possibly know is true.

              If you are going to quibble about words, you have to stick to the words involved. You can’t suddenly start claiming that we’re talking about what AOC or Trump “means.” I can’t tell what either of them means most of the time.If “won” means the result that’s legal, in the books and accepted as official, Trump can’t say that he “won.” (But he only said that Joe “knows” he won.) That use of “won” suggests that it means “won if the election was fair.”

              But again, you’re still deliberately ignoring the point of the post.

  7. You dedicated an entire paragraph about how an opinion can’t be a lie. That’s what I’m addressing.

    She never said it was a lie, she said it was factually incorrect.

    It can be Trump’s opinion he thinks he won the election (which is the point of the mug). It can be Trump’s opinion that he believes Biden knows he lost.

    Both statements are factually incorrect. Both statements are opinions, and both statements aren’t lies if Trump believes them.

    • “Both statements are factually incorrect. Both statements are opinions, and both statements aren’t lies if Trump believes them.”

      Wrong! If he believes them, then they are not intended to deceive, and are this not lies. And I already explained why Trump’s statement cannot be ruled “factually incorrect.”

      • …I said they AREN’T lies.

        And yes, Trump’s statement that he won the election is factually incorrect. Same with his statement that Biden knows he lost.

          • Trump’s opinion that he thinks Biden knows he lost the election depends on the idea that Trump won the election..

            How can Biden think he lost the election without thinking Trump won?

            That is factually incorrect and what AOC was responding to.

            Anyone reading the mug knows this.

            It is also factually incorrect that Biden thinks he lost the election. So even THAT point is wrong.

            Again, Trump can think Biden knows he lost, but it’s not factually true in any way.

            • It’s factually true…if President Biden knows he lost the election. But there’s no way to know what the President knows, because Joe doesn’t even know for sure himself.

              I don’t care. I ordered the mug just to spite Rep. Ocasio-Cortez because she is an accomplished socialist idiot. I had half a mind to order a second one and gift it to her, but she would just throw it away and that’s a waste of my money and frankly, she and her friends in Congress have wasted enough of that already. Maybe I’ll take a picture of me with it and send that her way.

              • So if I found a video of Biden saying “I won the election, I did not lose to Trump, Trump did not win” you still would belive the mug is factually correct?

                Is that right?

                    • Boy, you are stubborn AND deliberately dishonest. The post was about a Rep. declaring that a product should be banned based on the content of speech. It is irrelevant whether I believe that Trump’s blather is true or not. I KNOW that whether or not is is true, the US does not and cannot ban speech, opinion, lies, or “misrepresentation.” AOC does not know that, and thus is unqualified to be in Congress.

                • Adam, your video might be President Biden lying when he says he knows he won fairly – no different than President Trump might be lying with his “mug” statement.
                  Look, a stupid anything printed on a cup doesn’t matter. This really wasn’t the point of the post. That’s my opinion and it might factually true or not – don’t care. The OP was much more about AOC and her ilk and their collective desire to remove anything with which they disagree from public view or discourse, regardless of its truth. Opinions – right or wrong – are the gateway to discussion and debate, and banning them is an idea with disastrous consequences.

                  • I cant reply to Jack for some reason. I guess he’s scared to be challenged (classic trait of an authoritarian, guess that’s why he’s defending Trump).

                    So I’ll respond here…

                    Jack, I like how you admited politicians say things they don’t think is true…thereby totally contradicting you’re entire post and supporting AOC’s argument that Trump said something false.

                    Good job.

                    • I understand. You’re an idiot. Desperate to defend the indefensible, you keep hammering on a tangential detail as a transparent and intellectually dishonest tactic to bypass the primary point, which is and was valid. It doesn’t work, but it is a classical logical fallacy, The Texas Sharpshooter.

                      You don’t get to insult me here—I’m no authoritarian (whatever you think that means), and the “defending Trump” garbage marks you as a hopeless, partisan hack. The post about AOC endorsing “banning” speech based on content would be identical if you substituted Hillary or Biden for Trump, and Marjorie Taylor Green for AOC.

                      Anyone who reads EA regularly knows that, and anyone who makes the statement you did in this comment is either deliberately smearing me, or is too dumb to participate here.

                      Either way, YOU’RE banned.

                      How ironic.

                  • I just banned this jerk for being deliberately obstinate and dishonest, and crossing the line by impugning me, which I do not tolerate from guests.

                    Don’t respond if he tries to enter another comment, as banned jerks here inevitably do. The response will vanish with the comment as soon as I see it.

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