‘Twas The Week Before Christmas’s Open Forum December 17, 2021 / Jack Marshall Oh Come, all ye ethical, and enlighten us! Share this:TwitterLinkedInFacebookRedditPrintEmailLike this:Like Loading... Related
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I learned earlier this that my longtime Usenet ally, Christopher Charles Morton, died on Sunday, December 5th.
I learned more from him than any teacher. He influenced my own political views for twenty-five years!
He always stood for what is right and true. We best honor his memory by doing the same.
I’m so sorry, Michael. We’ll try to do the best we can to fill the void
It seems like an end of an era.
He was very good at making analogies.
Here was his first reply to me anywhere on line (In this case, it was Usenet newsgroups).
– Chris, April 26, 1996
Just three months ago, he wrote this about The Great Stupid
With smart analogies, you can win people over to your ideas.
I’m sorry for your loss, Micheal.
I send my condolences for your loss.
Sorry for your loss, Michael. Cherish the good memories. Obviously, his positive influence will live on.
Michael T. Ejercito wrote, “He always stood for what is right and true.”
Sounds like a very honorable man.
Michael T. Ejercito wrote, “We best honor his memory by doing the same.”
It sounds like that’s exactly the kind of legacy he would have wanted to leave behind.
My condolences for the loss of a good ally and mentor.
The term culture refers to a system of beliefs, customs, knowledge, behavior, religion, practices, etc., which is commonly shared by a group of people. It is described as the people’s way to live such as their learned behavior, values, morals, art, law, symbols, lifestyle which they accept completely without any second thought in mind.
We define the term ‘society’ as a group of people who share a common lifestyle, territory, behavior pattern and organization. It refers to an ordered community, engaged in a continuous social interaction with the members.
In a nutshell;
Right now in every corner of our society it appears that the unifying shared culture of the United States of America, our beliefs, customs, knowledge, behavior, religion, practices, etc. is under direct assault from hordes of irrational anti-cultural people trying to destroy the foundation of our culture. This is the underlying culture that’s bound us together for hundreds of years and fringe elements of our society are successfully brainwashing the masses into believing that our previous beliefs, customs, knowledge, behavior, religion, practices, etc are not producing equal outcomes in absolutely all segments of society and therefore the foundations of our culture are racist or white supremist and therefore evil and we all know that evil must be destroyed.
What’s the logical outcome of a culture after its society has been stripped of its shared cultural foundations, any opposition to perceived popular sentiments has been intimidated into silence and society is overwhelmed by the chasms of overwhelming differences? In some way it seems like societal & cultural collapse is inevitable, but we the people continue to hope for something to inspire the hope we desire.
We’re sick and tired of being sick and tired but yet we continue to hope for hope.
Is it futile?
Is it “ethical” to isolate yourself from a society that appears to be approaching chaos, shelter in place and prepare to defend yourselves or are capable intelligent people ethically obligated to resist the destruction of our unified shared culture? Is it our civic duty to “fight” back now when relatively few people see the inevitable dangers of cultural collapse instead of waiting for the cultural bubble to burst and things get far worse for everyone and then most everyone sees the danger?
Steve, I have pondered your question for the past several years as the evidence of the continuing destruction of Western civilization piles up around us. My faith teaches me to, as Christ said,” Be in the world, but not of the world.” I don’t think I should physically isolate myself from the growing immorality and chaos of the “popular culture” in this world but I, and most members of my church do try to insulate ourselves from it by practicing our faith and espousing the traditional values that come along with it, unafraid and right out in the open for the world to see. We believe that there is no greater witness to non-believers than the Christian life lived boldly. My dad was fond of the saying, “The best sermons are lived, not preached.” This, at present, is our way of “fighting back.”
That said, I am grateful for the “traditional American culture” of my rural Christian community and of my outspokenly conservative county and region. As I have said previously, I will happily “take my stand” here with these good people.
It requires ongoing committed practice to be in the world but not an emotional slave to the world.
“As I have said previously, I will happily “take my stand” here with these good people.” As will I.
“First, believers need to be “in the world.” It could be taken for granted that believers are in the world; we reside on Earth, after all. However, being in the world implies more than simply inhabiting it. We need to actually be involved in our societies.
To be “not of the world” requires us to be free of worldly influence. This does not mean that we do not participate in government or typical social processes. It means that we do not act as the unsaved world does. We are not slaves to our sinful natures but act in accordance with righteousness (Romans 6:6, 11).
We “train [ourselves] for godliness” (1 Timothy 4:7); we are “imitators of God” (Ephesians 5:1); we have nothing to do with “unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them” (Ephesians 5:11… In essence, we act according to the new nature we have been given rather than the sinful nature of the world (2 Corinthians 5:17, 21; Titus 3:3-8). “We are ambassadors for Christ” (2 Corinthians 5:20), spreading His fragrance (2 Corinthians 2:15-16) through the world.
First Peter 2:9 says, “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.” We live in a world of darkness, but we are not part of that darkness. We are not of the world because we are in Christ; we have the light. And while we are still in the world, we are called to be set apart, to shine the light that others might know Him and be saved (Matthew 5:13-16).”
Jim & Batman,
This took a turn towards Christianity that I really didn’t expect, I guess I probably should have expected it, but now that you pinpointed on that, know this; religion, in particular Christianity, is a piece of the cultural puzzle that’s under attack in the USA and although Christianity has it’s tentacles in many aspects of western culture it really is not and should not be the absolute driving force in our culture. Here in the USA we have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that should be, and is, the driving force of our culture. All the core cultural aspects of our melting pot are what stands us one beside another in solidarity regardless of what religion we are part of, or not part of, and that is a very VERY strong culturally binding factor and it’s supported by our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Yes religions are part of this culture and yes they are also under attack but focusing on only one aspect of our culture actually isolates other factors and others instead of unifying. Don’t fall into the isolating trap of thinking that Christianity alone is the source of unifying strength of our culture because if you do you’re missing a large part of what has made the USA the beacon of Liberty for so long.
Consider this; living by example does not mean living with Christianity perched on your shoulder for all to see and preaching the message of Christ to all those with ears it means let your actions represent your morals, character and yes your belief in Christianity and when someone asks why you are the way you are that is your opportunity to share the message of why.
Most people who know me well would likely consider me to be a fallible human being and a Christian.
See my comment below.
I guess I should have taken time to compose a more thorough and comprehensive dispositive answer to your original question. My reply keyed in on the “Is it “ethical” to isolate yourself from a society that appears to be approaching chaos, shelter in place and prepare to defend yourselves…” part of your question without addressing the wider issues. To respond further:
1. I did not say or intend to imply that Christianity is or should be “the absolute driving force in our culture.” I was only stating that Christianity IS the driving force in insulating (not isolating) myself from the corrosive and soul-draining effects of the immorality and chaos of the “popular culture” and the declining world around us. I know many other people who feel the same way. We hope to serve as an example to others, but we are not a group of streetcorner lay evangelists “preaching the message of Christ to all those with ears” over bullhorns. Hence my comment about more sermons being lived than preached. Obviously, there is more to resisting the destruction of our culture and upholding our Constitution than being a Christian. (I do, however, believe that widespread rejection of the authority of God leads to a wholesale rejection of other legitimate authority and is a root cause of many of our society’s ills.)
2. I take my civic duties very seriously. I served my home community for over 27 years of my 40+ years in law enforcement. I took that oath to defend the Constitution “against all enemies foreign and domestic” very seriously, and still do. In retirement, I continue to serve in my former employing agency as a pro-bono policy development and training advisor. I am active in our local Neighborhood Watch / Farm Watch program sponsored by our sheriff’s office and have assisted in the formation of other such groups in my county. I am also a life member of my state law enforcement training officers’ association and work with this group to influence legislation and regulations that will raise training standards and improve law enforcement training across our state.
3. I affiliate myself with other Constitutional conservatives in my county who take an interest in politics, and we work hard to discover, recruit and elect candidates that support our conservative values. For more than thirty years I have been active in local political campaigns during every county/district election cycle and in several statewide campaigns as well. I am currently helping organize the upcoming campaign of a candidate for criminal court judge and will likely be involved in another campaign or two by mid-year. I and many of my friends and neighbors frequently communicate and correspond with local and state officials and representatives on issues affecting our area. We are personally acquainted with just about all of these people. We encourage others to similarly participate in politics and engage with their elected officials.
4.I am an active member of three “heritage organizations” that promote patriotism and involvement in civic affairs. Our local chapters of these organizations are among the largest in our state. This week I participated with one such group in decorating veterans’ graves as part of the Wreaths Across America program. As a member of another such group, I regularly make presentations for a wide variety of civic and community organizations requesting programs related to America’s founding values and other aspects of our nation’s history. All three groups also sponsor local and statewide essay and oratory contests for local high school students who write or speak on topics related to patriotism, freedom/liberty and our Constitution. I have been honored to serve as a judge for a number of these competitions over the past decade or so.
I am certainly not unique among those in my community engaged in these, and similar, civic activities. I detailed these examples merely to clarify that neither I nor those Christians with whom I affiliate in my community are isolated, one-dimensional, or defined solely by our faith. We fully grasp the importance of the other factors you allude to and participate actively in all these facets of civic life.
Again, I apologize for being insufficiently thorough in my original reply, and giving an incorrect impression of my efforts, and the efforts of those in my community, to preserve our freedoms and way of life.
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
You clearly have a server’s heart Jim.
You are doing more for your community than me, and I am Batman!
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Thank you very much for taking the time to expand your original comment to include all of this information, it makes a big difference in overall perception.
Covid ethics: I will try to write it so my thoughts make sense. Two things sparked this thought: the topic of a continuing social coarseness in personal interactions and
my husbands Aunt passing from Covid. I’m sure you know that people are restricted on hospital premises. That means as of today roughly 824,520 (world o meters) people have died alone without their family nearby. Thousands more had hospital stays alone. I can understand why they did this in March when things “began” and pre vax… but still now? I even understand limiting visitors, but at this point, idk. I find it cruel and adding to the dehumanization and coarseness of our medical establishments. Who knows what impact this has. We will pretend that two people really wanted to be with their parent/spouse per each death. Now they’re likely angry about the whole thing. Especially if they had Covid and were immune. Or vaccinated. (Delta is still the main variant) vaccines work. Idk. I find it horrifying, how relationships of all sorts have suffered. It’s time to ask what kind of world we want in 5 years and push for that. I personally don’t believe the risk is worth family members not being present in hospitals.
“The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that doesn’t protect the protected.”
“I don’t think that they should be mandatory, I wouldn’t demand that they be mandatory, but I would do everything in my power, just like I don’t think that masks have to be made mandatory nationwide.”- Joe Biden
“Can we mandate vaccines across the country? No, that’s not a role that the federal government I think even has the power to make.” – Jen Psaki
“We cannot require someone to be vaccinated. That’s just not what we can do. It is a matter of privacy to know who is and who isn’t.” – Nancy Pelosi
“No, definitely not. You don’t want to mandate or try to force anyone to take the vaccine. We’ve never done that. We don’t want to be mandating from the federal government to the general population. It would be unenforceable and not appropriate.” – Anthony Fauci
Elizabeth Warren personally going after Elon Musk for not paying his fair share? I know he’s a very public figure, but isn’t this the same thing as a politician attacking a private citizen?
Not to mention:
1: She (is at least one of the people who) makes the laws.
2: If she had evidence this was true, she should share it with the IRS/Police.
3: As of this year, he has paid more in taxes than any other citizen.
We keep expecting these demagogues to deal in facts. They don’t. They deal in narratives. The narrative is that the rich don’t pay their taxes or don’t pay their fair share in taxes. How much Musk actually pays or doesn’t pay is immaterial.
As the designated Cherokee rep in Congress, Senator Warren has published an op-ed stating that the time has come for Congress to expand the Supreme Court – “the current court threatens the democratic foundations of the nation.”
Yeah, can’t have it spreading that undemocratic rule of law crap, or the subversive federalist, republican democracy nonsense. We need the Supreme Court to clamp down on those uppity people who judge folks by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin. Dare I say, lock them down, SCOTUS?
This is probably a stupid question, but do the people of Massachusetts have no shame? Where is Scott Brown or his equivalent?
CNN had the audacity to attack Musk as “another example of the coarsening of our culture.”
Warren gets a complete pass on her attack of Musk to begin with.
I wonder why no one has asked our leaders if we can grow the economy as modern monetarists suggests by increasing the debt and printing money indefinitely why are there laws on counterfeiting. Using their logic if we could all print all the money we need then there would be no need for the governments to run deficits.
Be careful. After all, wasn’t St. George of Floyd running counterfeit money and wasn’t there the huge wail and cry of how killing someone for a fake twenty was totally unfair and racist? You might get them to agree that counterfeiting is ok.
Well, this was a weird exchange:
This is an post from a guy who fancies himself liberal, in the classic sense:
My only disagreement is that he says there are 12 remaining dues-paying ABA members. I figured there were no more than 8, 9 tops. I gave up on them when they decided reparations in 2010s for past historical and social injustices (slavery, et al) were a good and no for idea. Based on their logic, Egypt owes present-day Jews a ton of money.
I made this comment.
Here is a link to a tribute wall for Chris.