I am grateful to ex-Republican House Leader and former Texas Rep. Tom Delay for putting himself back in the news with a quote remarkable for its ignorance, hatefulness, and corrupting potential. There are many reasons:
1. It provides a little perspective for Republicans who are excessively smug about the unethical depths to which the Democratic leaders, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, will sink. Yes, they are ethically atrocious. DeLay, however, was as powerful as either of them for a very long time and was a major power in causing the Bush years to collapse in a smelly pile of corruption. The fact that the Republican Party would follow such a man is easily as damning as Democrats tolerating Reid and Pelosi.
2. It gives me the opportunity to name Tom Ethics Alarms’ second Ethics Dunce Emeritus. The first was Bill Clinton. Tom Delay makes Bill Clinton look like Atticus Finch. Think about that.
3. I miss pointing out how despicable Tom DeLay is. On Ethics Alarm’s predecessor, The Ethics Scoreboard, he was worth a post on a regular basis.
4. His statement is so ridiculous that it is bound to make thoughtful people wonder if they should be agreeing with the man, and reexamine their current anti-gay positions critically.
Here is what DeLay said, discussing the various religious rights protection measures and the controversy surrounding them, on an interview with Newsmax, with some restrained commentary by me in bold:
“This is the result of the gay agenda. We’re now seeing what the gay agenda is all about. [ Welcome to 1978, Tom! “Gay agenda” is the sinister-sounding smear once routinely used by religious conservatives who wanted 10% of Americans stigmatized as the equivalents of Communists, “radicals,” and those fake humans with deformed little fingers that were among us in the old Sci-Fi TV show “The Invaders.” Using that term is signature significance, and what it signifies is bigotry, hate, and a stunted mind.] Our religious liberty, as you know, Steve, is the bedrock of our country. As it’s described in the Declaration of Independence, that we get our rights from our creator, somebody bigger than us. [Those rights you speak of, Tom, are “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” which is all the “gay agenda” is. The Declaration doesn’t mention religious freedom at all, and the word “religion” doesn’t appear. Who taught you civics, Michele Bachmann?] And from that, we get truth, with the values by which we live. And from that, we’re good people that can govern through the Constitution.” [Implication: gay citizens are not “good people,” because they are not “we.” They are “them.” In another culture at another time, Tom would be firing up the ovens.]
“Religious liberty is the foundation of this country, and what they’re trying to do is undermine religious liberty so that they become an accepted sexual orientation. [ No, you utter, shameless creep, they are trying to be accepted as human beings. If people like you wouldn’t define religious liberty as treating gays like lepers, religion would not even be involved in this matter.] And we have got to fight this battle to the bitter end because when you let the government dictate to you what you believe and what your values are, this county is finished. [ Being a citizen of the United States means that you agree to live by the principles that all men are created equal, that all have equal rights under the law, and that all have the three natural rights Jefferson specified. You can believe any dumb, mean, bigoted thing you want to, but you have to treat everyone fairly. I know you have trouble with that “fairly” part…]
“We love people who have chosen to be homosexuals. [ Liar. You believe they are choosing to be sinners, and worse, you believe they have a sinister “agenda.” If you “loved them” you wouldn’t repeat completely debunked myths about them originating from the caves.] The problem is, we abhor the sin. [To be called a sinner by the likes of Tom DeLay is the worst insult I can imagine.] So yes, when I have a business and some gay person walks in — unidentified by the way, there’s no way you can tell it unless he tells you — then I’m going to serve him. But if he comes in and asks me to undermine my values, what I believe in, undermine my religious liberty, then I have the right to stand up for what I believe in and not serve him. It’s not discrimination. [What the hell are you talking about?]
Welcome back, Tom.
Now go away and shut up.
I realize this is little solace to any of us, but at least most of the scum currently in office are of the “ends justify the means” variety, which means that at the very least, their intentions are in the right place. Tom Delay is just an old-fashioned crook. I’m not sure even he believes what he’s saying, he’s probably just trying to get his foot back in the door.
Sounds like someone I know.
Now, now…
He believes it and means it. So do I. I’ve met Tom DeLay on a number of occasions and respect him as a hard nosed advocate who’s been willing to mix it up with his actual corrupt opponents in the mosh pit. He was brought down by the Democrats utilizing the same unethical tactics that they’ve used on others in Travis County, including (most recently) former Governor Perry. DeLay has since been completely vindicated in court and is back in action again. If I ever had any doubts about the justice of the anti-deviant cause, I need only look at the lengths and means that the Party of Societal Enemies (Democrat) will employ to protect and forward a solid voting bloc, regardless of who or what they are.
Cognitive dissoance has led you astray, SMP. He’s a thug, a bully, a crook and the real life equivalent of Frank Underwood. He corrupted the Republican Party, and it hasn’t recovered yet.
You need better heroes. He is one of the worst ethics corrupters in the last century…not as bad as Joe McCarthy or Huey Long, but awful nonetheless.
Supremes warned: ‘God’s judgment’ now looming
‘Scripture attests that perversions violate the law of the land’
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/supremes-warned-gods-judgment-now-looming/#fJZybyrz0QCSywGf.99
Was he drunk during this interview? What a caricature of the moronic, cross-burning, snake-handling,moonshine-distilling conservative. All the leftys have to do is throttle back and let schmendricks like this self-immolate.
It DOES sound only slightly less wacky than Mel Gibson’s famous interview, in which he admitted he WAS drunk. “Firing up the ovens” though, I think is a reach. He is not looking for the days when gay people had to wear pink triangles and were transported to the camps. What he IS probably hoping for is the day when gays stayed in the closet or kept it quiet. For better or for worse, that’s not going to happen anytime soon.
“What we have to fear is not the actions of bad men, but the inactions of good men.”
The question is: Were this a time where the majority opinion in America was not of tolerance, were the population significantly more apathetic…. What would this guy be saying? There comes a point in the rhetoric where even people that nod and smile at some of the less bombastic language flinch. He is still a politician, he thinks this will get him elected. If he had a more free reign, where would he stop? Where is his line? IS “firing up the ovens” a reach? (To be honest, it probably is)
But here’s the flips side: He is still a politician, he thinks this will get him elected. There is at least a portion of society that either thinks like that or he thinks thinks like that. If he were not running, would he go this far? Would he be so bothered?
And I just realized that he’s an EX-representative. And that basically everything I just wrote was moot. This is exactly who he is.
This IS who he is. He did beat some bs charges that were brought for political reasons, but in the end he is a Texas good old boy with all that goes with it.
Wait one. ” A Texas ‘good old boy'”? Are you saying that nobody in Texas knows this is unethical? Because that is NOT the case.
Exactly. And DeLay is a good man who eschews doing nothing when evil threatens.
He’s a shameless hyper-partisan Machiavellian hack, and nothing less, with neither respect for nor understanding of the Constitution. He also makes my skin crawl.
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree again, Jack! (heh-heh-heh)
Ole Tom doing, these days? I had heard he had been kicked out….uh…LEFT Texas and gone to Virginia. Not that I’d wish him on you, Jack, but I’m damn glad he took his act elsewhere. We have enough troubles keeping our politicians on the straight and narrow without guys like him.
I like Penn Jillette’s opinion peace on this subject. http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/opinions/jillette-indiana-law/
I like Teller’s
A different wording of the exact same argument
I like Penn Gilette. They did a great piece on gun control few years ago. By the way, could you explain the etiology of Fatty Moon, if it’s not too personal? That sounds like it has an interesting back-story.
I joined Howard Rheingold’s Electric Minds soon after the site went live and was immediately intimidated by the high level of intelligent conversation. I decided I would need a unique moniker along with a dumbed down patois so I closed my eyes and waited for the first image to appear. It was the Earth’s moon. A second image replaced the first, a hunk of fatty meat. I thought Moon Fatty? Nah. Fatty Moon? Yeah! My evil plan worked. I was beloved by most of the community (a vocal few hated me) which led to Howard hiring me as a host of The Commons forum. It was quite a ride while it lasted.
Scroll down for an example of FattySpeak… http://www.cartalk.com/content/hall-really-weird-mail-10
Sadly, EMinds didn’t survive due to lack of a business model, but Howard flourishes… http://www.rheingold.com/electricminds/html/
I love it ! It’s just as great as I thought it would be! Both links are now in the “favorites” partition of my web browser, to thoroughly explore in installments as time permits. I’m a very image-oriented person, and the image that came to mind the first time I saw Fatty Moon was Jackie Gleason’s face on the moon (the planet Moon, ha!) in the opening credits of The Honeymooners. Weird, random stuff like that pops into my head all the time, and keeps me amused.
Cool. I’ll see if I can find my old EMinds tee I had made up. Being a visual person I think you’ll get a kick out of the graphic.
I’m looking forward to seeing it!
Here ya go Joe… hope this link works.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCLwZRHW4AEbRfy.jpg:large
Oh my God ! That is AWESOME !! I love it !!
You make Fatty happy. Happy Fatty!
Joey glad ! Everybody happy !
Tom Delay is now in VIRGINIA? Help me. I live in the City of Alexandria — incorporated 450 years ago — and we’ve had to put up with the likes of Jim Moran — liar, thief, smut — and have survived. But the characters in the intellectual renaissance of Virginia from the Declaration of Independence and onward — from George Washington, to Thomas Paine, to Thomas Jefferson, to James Madison (for you ignoramuses — primary writer of the Constitution), to George Mason (who insisted on the Bill of Rights being added to same Constitution) — are all rolling over in their graves now. How could this have happened? The dumbing down of America. It’s everywhere, and I despair.
Elizabeth, I can’t say for certain that he had gone there, or, if he had, if he’s still there. However, it was something I had heard just shortly after he got off…er, uh…was found ‘Not Guilty’. Not even real sure why it stuck with me, other than my suspicion was that he either bribed or intimidated the verdict. Frankly, if he’s in Virginia, ya’ll can keep him. If he’s come back to Texas, well, …
He lives in Sugar Land, TX. I’m headed there now! Work…
Try to steer clear of Tom, Steve.
We usually meet for beers at the Hooters on Highway 6!
BEEN THERE! My 13 year old grandson loves the…uh…er…hamburgers!
You take your 13 year old grandson to HOOTERS?! He’ll be the father of ten kids by the time he graduates!! Errr… looking for a good paternity case lawyer?
I don’t take him, my son does, but I have no objection. It isn’t topless, and nobody’s having sex on the tables. Yes, the waitresses wear very short pants and they generally have large mammaries. That said, they are waitresses, not hookers. However, he’s 13…you and I both know he doesn’t like going there for the hamburgers.
Just yanking your chain, Dragon!
I figured. Yanking back.