How Extreme Ideology Makes You An Insufferable, Mean-Spirited Jerk: Case Study…William Ayers

Thank you for your service, and of course you can board the airplane before I do. By the way, Bill Ayers says you don't work.

Barack Obama’s friend Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn, the now retired terrorists, found their way to Occupy Wall Street yesterday, which figures, and these murderous Sixties socialists were welcomed as heroes by the OWS crowd, which figures even more.

In the course of their joint rant about how doomed and terrible the United States is, Ayers, who apparently resented not being in the first group to board a recent commercial flight by virtue of his first class ticket, posed this question:

“We’ve got a militarized society and its become so common sense that, getting on the airplane coming out here, the first thing they said was let all the, uhh, let all the ya know, uniformed military get on first and thank you for your service.  And I said as I always do: let’s let the teachers and nurses get on first and thank them for their service.  I mean, why is it that everything military has got to be good and everything that has to do with actual work, real work, not jobs, real work for people, that stuff gets discouraged and marginalized?

Let me state my bias up front: this kind of addled, Marxist gibberish and the people who were addicted to shouting it through bullhorns on administrative building steps successfully tainted two of my four years of college, and hearing or reading it creates for me now the political equivalent of Sauce Bearnaise Syndrome.

To answer Ayer’s obnoxious and offensive query: We let uniformed military personnel  board first out of gratitude and respect, because most citizens who do not have a pathological hatred of democracy, America and the military recognize that the young men and women interrupting their lives, leaving their loved ones and surrendering their own freedom to protect us voluntarily subject themselves to death, crippling injury and permanent emotional harm for inadequate compensation and benefits, that their work—for it is work—is essential and we don’t want to do it, so we are properly grateful, respectful and kind, at least those of us who have some decency and who didn’t spend our youthful years trying to blow innocent citizens to Kingdom Come.

And allowing  exhausted service men and women to stow their gear and settle into their tourist class seat strait-jackets before the mad scramble for seats and storage compartment space begins is such a tiny accommodation to make in recognition of their sacrifice that virtually all normal Americans not permanently warped by hate and revolutionary fervor gladly accept the inconvenience of boarding our flights, oh, maybe five minutes later at most.

That’s why.

Personally, I would advocate allowing all combat veterans, in uniform or not, board first. It would have benefited my late father, for example, who had to limp onto plans on a mangled foot, the result of it being pierced by multiple hand-grenade pieces in World War II. Even in today’s schools, most teachers don’t have grenades thrown at them.

I have to add this: I thought trying to tar Barack Obama with his association with Ayers and Dohrn at the University of Chicago and their financial support of his political career was a cheap shot by the conservative media in 2008, and I think so now. Nonetheless, I cannot help wonder about the taste and values of anyone who would voluntarily stay in the presence of these miserable human beings for more than a few seconds. Maybe Obama has a stronger stomach than I do. He probably likes Bearnaise sauce too.

36 thoughts on “How Extreme Ideology Makes You An Insufferable, Mean-Spirited Jerk: Case Study…William Ayers

  1. I disagree that bringing up Ayers was a cheap shot.

    That said, maybe it is time to ask why Obama can stomach Ayers. But are you ready for the answers? Suppose Glenn Back is right about Obama’s ties to the radical left? If that is the case, does he get an apology from this blog?

    • No. I have ties to the radical left, and the radical right, and some lunatics too. I know and am friendly with anarchists, socialists, crypto-fascists, bigots,Yale grads, Yankee fans, “rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.” So what? I don’t believe in guilt by association. We make personal relationships for many reasons. An individual’s actions, in the here and now, can cause me to end my association with them, but if you cut yourself off from people based on their past or their political opinion, you miss a lot in life, and everybody you know starts to look and sound like you.

      Glenn Beck is a bigot AND a Mormon. It takes all kinds.

  2. Bill and Bernadine are lucky they even get through security. They have the vets to thank for that. B & B should automatically be profiled. God forbid they ever have to sit by me on so much as a church pew.

  3. I agree with just about everything you say in this post.

    However, you’re completely missing Ayers’ point. You’re trying to divide; Ayers is trying to point out an unequal and infantile, immature value system we possess in large parts of this great country. The United States can and should be better, always strive for that, and not alienate those who have the guts to be critical of it.

    Coming from the Gandhi School of Thought Structure™, I completely disagree with Ayers’ violent past. Let’s hope he’s evolved past his mistakes he made when he was young.

    But that doesn’t mean Ayers is an “awful” person for saying what he is saying – this ‘love it or leave it’ attitude about our country is a problem, and a sign of ignorance. This Bill O’Really “Sit down and Shut UP” scare tactic – and it is a tactic – because you’re not a “Patriot” is complete BS. There are tons of quotes that deal with this specific mindset – said by people much, much, smarter than me – it masks a hidden agenda, by putting fear to criticize the leadership and policies.

    We must always push to be a more perfect, honest, self-reflecting country, and we can always do Better, not ‘just enough.’ We are only as strong as the weakest among us… we can always strive to improve. Veterans DO deserve to get preferential treatment. But so do our Teachers, Elderly, Disabled, etc. When our society collectively grows out of this Spiritual Adolescence, where we value materialism and power gained by evil means instead of manifesting Positive Thought Structure™ throughout this reality, then Ayers won’t have to act like a jackass to get his message heard.

    Personal attacks also are a sign that the message Ayers is so ‘un-eloquently’
    spouting can’t be debated by you in the realm of truthiness. What Ayers is saying does have merit. Since you then shift your ‘argument’ to Ayers himself shows that you are grasping to attack his character to muddy his message. I don’t know if that’s going to work, if you really think about what he is saying with a rational, open mind.

    I would also rethink the work choice on “Tar” – could be misinterpreted as “Code”.

    How about Besmirched.

    • I like tar. I think accusing people of code when they aren’t talking code is political correctness gotcha-mongering.

      Ayers’ denigrating of military veterans and active servicemen is, in fact, a mark of a jerk who doesn’t have the decency to say thank you. There is absolutely nothing divisive about seating soldiers first, any more than seating families with young kids first or the handicapped.The suggestion that clearing streets of hidden bombs isn’t “work’ is per se offensive, and I doubt anyone who isn’t awful could say or think such a thing.

      There really are awful people, you know. This couple seems to fit the bill.

      • Agreed. Ayers taking out his anger on the soldiers is like all of us hating on the CSRs for any ( insert giant random corporation name here ) for which they work. It’s not their fault, it’s the policies that come from the Owners and Board Members of said corporations that should be judged.

        Therefore, he should be a bit more rational in making his points.

      • Seating of families with young kids and the handicapped first isn’t because we are thanking them for something or showing compassion. It’s because they need more help and space when being seated. The entire process goes more easily for everyone this way.

        The reasoning matters. I don’t find seating soldiers first to be a problem (and I wouldn’t mind seating teachers first either), but lumping that in with seating other groups of people first is not a good argument.

        • I said it was no more divisive…besides that, I was making no further comparison. It’s not divisive.

          Picking and choosing which occupations are “special”, on the other hand, when there is no clear delineation or criteria, IS divisive. Why teachers? I don’t even trust teachers. Why nurses rather than hospital techs, who change the bedpans? Why not sanitation workers, or ACLU lawyers, or SWAT team members? Military personnel can easily be distinguished from the rest, except by those who hate the military and stubbornly deny the unavailability of armed conflict.

          Bill Ayers is a “teacher.” No wonder he thinks they should be seated first. “Thank you for teaching kids they should blow people up, Bill!”

          • The problem in your comparison was that the reason for boarding early is what Ayer’s case is based on. The reason is that the airlines starting distinguishing service members. I don’t know the history behind it, but I suspect it started during war time. Anyway, anytime you distinguish someone that others don’t believe warrant such treatment, they will claim divisiveness. You have to knock that down directly, not pretend that the differing treatment is like differing treatment given for nondistinguish-based reasons.

            As for your reasoning, contractors who work in hostile territories also deserve this treatment and military desk clerks who will never be deployed don’t, correct?

            • Great point. More and more the “troops” are being marginalized for war profiteering only. Just another symptom of our immature, priority-sick culture that is the reason our civilization is in the state it’s in.

                • I think the jump is this – your use of ‘Contractors’ – maybe you don’t see it, but contractors make money off war. Technically, so do the soldiers, but at a frighteningly smaller % than what those who work for said ‘contractors’, or those who profit from war.

                  You say contractors, I say war profiteers, let’s call the whole thing off.

                  It’s the parsing of language that George Carlin made famous in his brilliant bit about Euphemisms — ‘Shell Shock’ migrating over the 20th century and ending up at ‘Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder’, or PTSD, which is a much nicer way to dismiss those who suffer from it.

                  Turn the euphemism into a recognizable acronym, you can sell much more medication.

                  This parsing of language is the tactic that helps explain away these ‘contractors’, Bill Ayers’ comments, the wars, the military industrial complex entitlement program, blame the victims, we don’t have the money for all these poor people, etc etc.

                  Bill Ayers is an awful person, much more awful than the people who are responsible for our own government’s policies. Policies that profit from the death and suffering, the use of hideous materials in our ordinances that not only reign hell on earth to many completely innocent civilians in these regions of said ‘wars’, but that also harm the very troops tasked to do their ‘war bidding’ – and who live in the giant, luxurious gated communities and belong to the country clubs sucking billions out of the blood of the American Taxpayers Wealth to finance it all. And want tax breaks.

                  That’s the connection I see.

                  • War is a necessary evil. We create better ways to kill people in order to keep our people from being killed. This is why we dropped the bombs on Japan. It was decided that the cost of American life would be too great if we invaded.

                    And if you ever decide that war is not ever necessary, I want you to look at the history of WWII. If our country decided to join the war earlier, we could have saved many more lives.

                  • Grouping contractors and soldiers with war profiteering shows you don’t have any concept of what war profiteering actually means. No, it does not mean making money off of war.

                    • I second that question. What exactly does it mean, exactly. And yes, I do believe bigger and better weapons deter war.

                      However, now we are at a point in Civilization to where we need to shift the focus on educating ourselves to the true meaning of why we exist, what this reality is all about and how our legacy shall be perceived by a hopeful, peaceful future. The evidence is in – the overwhelming majority of people that exist on this planet are good people. It is only those that thrive on parasitic existence, hanging onto power and wealth by the ignorance and reinforced, traditional & ritualistic prejudices of others make this reality in which we need these weapons in the first place.

                    • Maybe I’m off. I’ve always seen war-profiteering as referring to improperly directing using war materials or information for gain. Selling military equipment that should be in use, diverting funds, selling information, etc…

                      Considering that it’s built off of profiteering (unethically making money), and that’s how it’s been used throughout history, I’m confident in that meaning.

                      Now, In the last decade, I see countless examples of war profiteering being used to mean people who make money off of war. I’m not sure when the term started to be applied like that, but it’s improper on it’s face. It’s an attempt to make all war unethical by definition. It’s circular and stupid.

                      Soldiers and contractors, these people are necessary in modern warfare, and I don’t see what’s unethical in providing their services. Some wars are just and ethical; some wars are not, but providing the ability to wage war is neutral.

  4. I heard Obama knew Ayers at least well enough to let him ghost write his book but maybe that’s hearsay.
    It’s natural that Ayers would be offended that the military would be allowed to board before him. He hates the military.He’s a punk. Why is it worse for the soldier to kill in battle than it is for terrorist Ayers no kill innocent people? “Guilty as hell,free as a bird-America is a great country.” Screw you punk.

    • Ad hominem attacks and guilt by association will get you nowhere in a reasoned argument. Trying to use the “I’m just putting it out there; I’m not saying it’s true” canard shows intent, not just ignorance. *sigh*

        • Shut up,tgt. I’ve noticed that when I come up with something you can’t refute you stay quiet. I was being sarcastic with the hearsay bit. Anybody who looks into Obama’s background knows he’s radical…hell he’s radical now!

          • When have I averred something, been contradicted, stayed quiet, and then reaverred that same thing? Can you point me to something please?

            You are indicting me for allegedly shutting up, but also commanding me to shut up. That doesn’t make much sense.

            Obama isn’t close to radical now. What has he done that’s radical?

              • Like I said,suspicion only can get you detained under NDAA. I have a copy of a document from DOJ that lists patriots(Constitutionalists),returning vets,and Christians as potential terrorists. This means we can be targeted by NDAA. Of course Obama said he’d never use this against Americans even though he signed it. Small comfort.
                As for more of Obama’s extremism,he’s now mandated that the government can seize control of our water,food,and energy even if there isn’t a national emergency.
                He has allowed the police to become militarized(military equipment,weapons)presumably to better deal with us protesters. Police may now enter our homes without search warrants. They have killed innocent people with impunity.White men beaten to death. Not a peep from Obama until the Trayvon incident which he’s now thinking the police haven’t gone far enough.
                Obama is racist. Read his book.
                He bullys or ignores Congress. He’s trying to bully the Supreme Court.
                As much as I don’t like Obama he’s merely “Bush on steroids.” He promised to bring the troops home. Instead he’s gone warmongering,following in Bush’s footsteps. Millions of innocent people have died. We were told once bin Laden was killed we were done.Two of the promises he’s broken.
                I should have kept a list. That’s just off the top of my head and I’m sure I’m leaving out some even more radical episodes.

                • This screed against Obama has nothing to do with whether or not Ayers ghostwrote Obama’s book, but i’ll still tackle it.

                  Like I said,suspicion only can get you detained under NDAA. I have a copy of a document from DOJ that lists patriots(Constitutionalists),returning vets,and Christians as potential terrorists. This means we can be targeted by NDAA. Of course Obama said he’d never use this against Americans even though he signed it. Small comfort.

                  NDAA is ridiculous. Agreed. Obama’s signing statement is nonbinding. Agreed. But I lay more blame on the republican congress for this, as they wouldn’t pass the bill without it, and Obama requested that be removed. I also think that, politically, Obama could not have vetoed the NDAA over that.

                  As for more of Obama’s extremism,he’s now mandated that the government can seize control of our water,food,and energy even if there isn’t a national emergency.

                  Source please. Are you referring to the executive order in March that simply updated EO 12919 to move the responsibilities from FEMA to DHS because DHS took over those general responsibilities under Bush?

                  He has allowed the police to become militarized(military equipment,weapons)presumably to better deal with us protesters. Police may now enter our homes without search warrants. They have killed innocent people with impunity.White men beaten to death. Not a peep from Obama until the Trayvon incident which he’s now thinking the police haven’t gone far enough.
                  Obama is racist. Read his book.

                  The militarization is not Obama, it’s the war on drugs. It’s also due to stupid law changes and grants given post 9/11. Most of that was under Bush, but this is really a bipartisan stupidity.

                  Police violation of the constitution and the lack of punishment is again, not specific to Obama.

                  You then seem to jump from police abuse to general crime, and decide that Obama only cares about Black people because he commented on one extremely high profile case. Both white men and black men have been beaten to death without a peep from Obama. Obama shouldn’t have commented about Trayvon, but that doesn’t make him racist.

                  He bullys or ignores Congress. He’s trying to bully the Supreme Court.

                  Wait, I thought he was a week president who gave into congress all the time. I guess you can make up anything if you don’t have to defend it. Now, Obama’s comment about the supreme court was out of line. His “clarification” was a clear walking back of what he said, but at least he did that. As opposed to all the hypocrites who are calling for Obama’s head despite never walking back their similar comments.

                  As much as I don’t like Obama he’s merely “Bush on steroids.” He promised to bring the troops home. Instead he’s gone warmongering,following in Bush’s footsteps. Millions of innocent people have died. We were told once bin Laden was killed we were done.Two of the promises he’s broken.

                  Really? Obama has brought most of the troops home from Iraq and has a timetable set for getting out of Afganistan. He’s getting lambasted from the right for doing so. Warmongering? He mostly stayed out of Libya and Syria despite calls for another war. He’s getting attacked for not threatening war against Iran. Where do you get your information from? I also don’t recall Obama promising that he will get Bin Laden and then immediately withdraw troops. Obama has broken promises and has broken promises about war, but not the ones you call out.

                  I should have kept a list. That’s just off the top of my head and I’m sure I’m leaving out some even more radical episodes.

                  How about some actual radical episodes.

                  • Look tgt,I’m not defending that a$$ Bush here. I know he started this mess. And if I’m wrong about Obama sometimes I’ll admit it. If Obama asked that the “American citizen detention”be removed,good. Who came up with NDAA and was it imperative that he sign it?
                    I goofed. That should be DHS not DOJ that lists patriots and Christians as potential terrorists. Also,that document was drawn up under Bush’s watch so no blame for O there.You didn’t comment on that. I would think that’s important especially since NDAA can get us on suspicion.
                    ” Obama shouldn’t have commented about Trayvon, but that doesn’t make him racist.” That isn’t why I call him racist.
                    “Police violation of the constitution and the lack of punishment is again, not specific to Obama.” Why doesn’t he speak out against it? He spoke out against police “brutality” against his professor friend. This is a big enough,scary enough problem that he should address it. Is he preparing for martial law with all this military equipment for police?
                    Obama didn’t promise after bin Laden was killed that the war(s) would be over but we were told that. I guess he didn’t think he had to keep it. He got troops out of Iraq but not to keep them home,just reassigned. He didn’t stay out of Libya though did he? If he’s anti-war why is he taking so long to end it and why Libya? He’s not going after Iran because that’s a fool’s errand. It could usher in a world war.

                    Does John Holdren bother you at all? The forcibly sterilize people man?Why did O appoint him to ANY position.
                    “While Malthus’s argument that human population growth invariably leads to famine and poverty is plainly at odds with the historical evidence, which shows global living standards rising with population growth, it nonetheless persisted and even gained strength among intellectuals and political leaders in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. Its most pernicious manifestation in recent decades has been the doctrine of population control, famously advocated by ecologist Paul Ehrlich, whose bestselling 1968 antihumanist tract The Population Bomb has served as the bible of neo-Malthusianism. In this book, Ehrlich warned of overpopulation and advocated that the American government adopt stringent population control measures, both domestically and for the Third World countries that received American foreign aid. (Ehrlich, it should be noted, is the mentor of and frequent collaborator with John Holdren, President Obama’s science advisor.)”
                    “”Around the world, the population control movement has resulted in billions of lost or ruined lives. We cannot stop at merely rebutting the pseudoscience and recounting the crimes of the population controllers. We must also expose and confront the underlying antihumanist ideology. ”
                    Look,suffice to say I’m fed up with a grossly overpowered Federal government. Whose business is it that I prefer to drink raw milk and why is it necessary to conduct ARMED raids of small farmers when giant food corporations poison people annually with impunity? Food is recalled but these places aren’t shut down. And why is the former head of Monsanto heading up the FDA? Conflict of interest there don’t you think. People don’t want GMO foods but far be it from the FDA to do anything like labeling the stuff. Monsanto has literally driven farmers to suicide by selling them seeds that are supposed to increase their profits but instead drive them to bankruptcy due to the crops requiring massive amounts of water in water scarce areas and being required to buy expensive seed every year rather than saving seed to plant. Does Obama care? No,he appoints Monsanto to head up the FDA which means essentially that Monsanto is in a government position.
                    I’d likr to see Obama get the Fed off our backs but then he IS the Fed.

                    • 1) The NDAA is a yearly bill. It allows us to spend money on defense.

                      2) Honestly, I didn’t know what you meant about the DOJ document, so I let it go. Now that I know what you were referring to, your comment was even worse than you now let on. It wasn’t saying that christians and veterans are military threats – it was saying that specific threats are made up of christians and veterans. The exact opposite cause and effect.

                      3) You most definitely did you the martin-zimmerman issue to back your statment that Obama is racist.

                      4) the prep for military law comment is more unjustified sensationalism. It’s junk.

                      5) About Bin Laden, you’re attacking Obama for not fulfilling promises that he didn’t make. Who told you that would be the end of the war? Some talking head? Well, they were wrong.

                      6) The war comments are misinformed and moving the goalposts. We

                      7) John Holdren talked about the effects of different population control mechanisms. He did not advocate for forced sterilization. His mentor and frequent collaborator did that, not him? Oh right, Holdren must have secret opinions he’s hiding… or maybe he disagreed. I collaborate with big government conservatives all the time. What in the world does that say about me? How many more bogus attacks are you going to throw at the wall?

                      8) I’m anti-Monsanto myself. It’s an evil corporation, and if your statements were true, I’d be up in arms as well, but there is no “former head of monsanto heading up the FDA”. There’s a former vice president of monsanto, one of hundreds, who is an advisor to the FDA, one of dozens. 1 scientist as 1 voice in the room. The rest of your attacks on Monsanto/Obama are really attacks on Monsanto and patent law. There’s also a couple attacks on what are apolitical civil servant decisions. I agree on all of that, but it doesn’t tie back to Obama.

                    • Tgt,this may come as a shock but thank you. You have given me food for thought and it makes me angry that there is so much misinformation or maybe I should say lack of the compete picture when the information is given. The info isn’t a lie but it doesn’t go far enough and the intention is to deliberately mislead. Thanks for filling in the gaps.

                    • Your welcome Karla. I, too, am distraught at how information is intentionally twisted. It then gets repeated, and people who trusted those twisters and the people who trusted the trusters of the twisters (like you) pass it on innocently. Karla wouldn’t lie, so this must be true! It’s a powerful argument. I used to be extremely guilty of that myself. Now, I try to look for a debunking of any source before citing it, and make my mind up about which argument is stronger. Despite actively trying to find the right information, I’m still sometimes guilty of passing on incorrect information, and I damn the intentional liars each time.

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