When Ethics Alarms Don’t Ring (Or Were Disconnected): Now THIS Is An Unethical Airplane Passenger….

A Trump-deranged woman on a Baltimore to Seattle flight went bananas when she learned that a fellow passenger was not similarly inclined, and was so abusive that she was kicked off the flight.

Good.

The object of her scorn, Scott Koteskey, described the confrontation on Facebook, writing in part…

I’m boarding my flight from Baltimore to Seattle and approach my seat…As I approach my row I smile and motion to the husband and wife sitting in the aisle and middle seat that my seat was next to the window. I put my backpack in the overhead and the wife with a very stern voice says to me:

“Did you come here to cheer or to protest?”

“I came here to celebrate democracy ma’am”

She then proceeded with: (somewhat paraphrased as my memory allows):

Her: “You put a crazed man in charge of the nuclear codes! You should be ashamed!”

Me: ‘Well we’re all entitled to our opinions here ma’am.”

Her: “And I’m entitled to get drunk and puke in your lap! I’m going to throw up right in your lap! You make me sick! Don’t talk to me! Don’t look at me! Don’t you dare even put your arm on that rest. You disgust me! You should be ashamed of yourself! You put a maniac’s finger on the button” (assuming she’s means nukes). You are a bigot. You should get off this plane!”

Me: “Ma’am, by definition, bigotry is disparaging someone prior to knowing them simply by their beliefs and opinions. Thank you for being the very thing you preach against.”

She then proceeded with other various rantings such as my lack of critical thinking and other insults. Finally a flight attendant came over as you will see in the video followed by a supervisor informing that she would have to de-board the plane per captain’s orders….

In the video, the flight attendant asks the woman if there is a problem. She replies that she wants Koteskey to change seats.

“You don’t have that right,” the flight attendant says, and leaves to get another attendant.

So the madwoman continues to berate the poor passenger. “You pretend you have the moral high ground but you put that man’s finger on the nuclear button!” she says to Kotesky. “That man doesn’t believe in climate change!” she announces, using air quotes when she said “believe.”

Better shoot him, then.

“Do you believe in gravity? Did you know gravity is just a theory?” she continues. (Notice that the woman’s husband in the aisle seems to be quietly wishing he was in an undersea paradise, and makes no effort to get his spouse to behave, the weenie.) Amusingly, when the next flight attendant tells her that the captain wants her off the flight, she says, “Have some respect!”

Eventually, police came and forcibly removed her, along with her lily-livered and probably abused husband. Pray for him. (Please let me know her name, and I’ll update this.)

What the…? How do people get this way? What combination of poor upbringing, ideological intolerance, indoctrination by fear-mongers and ethical blindness could induce any American adult to behave like this? By all accounts, including his own, Koteskey didn’t begin an unwanted conversation about the virtues of Donald Trump. She asked him, he answered, and she attacked. Is this what Democrats mean by resistance? Is this the face they want to place on their party and its beliefs? I hope so, because this is the identify it is acquiring, and fast.

Again I must borrow  Glenn Reynolds’ favorite gag: “I said if Donald Trump was elected President, we’d end up with a nation of assholes, and I was right!”

Concludes the abused Koteskey:

“As the lady was removed I saw that I was surrounded by blacks, Latinos, Asians, and whites, all who had chimed in asking her to be removed and who had defended me. I was touched and moved knowing later that not all these people were Trump supporters. The black man who took the seat next to me was a registered Democrat and he and I had a very good discussion about the beauty of free speech and coming together when people insult and commit acts of violence just for having differing views. It truly was a great demonstration of AMERICA and its people coming together and standing up for one another.”

Yes, these are what I would call normal, rational, ethical, patriotic Americans.

Why would the Left try to create any other kind?

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66 responses to “When Ethics Alarms Don’t Ring (Or Were Disconnected): Now THIS Is An Unethical Airplane Passenger….

  1. Michael

    Right, Jack. Total agreement. Please add: “And why would the right create any other kind?” From personal experience and observation, those ‘creations’ are the deepest threat to rational, civil discourse and real debate.

  2. Wow! I’ve never had to endure this type of hatred, but somehow I feel vindicated for believing the way I believe and feeling the way I feel. I’m conservative and live in what most might consider the liberal capital of the world. I hope that I would respond the same way the gentleman responded if confronted in the same manner. Kudos to you for posting this Jack Marshall. You’re my ethics hero of the day.

  3. Wayne

    I don’t you can hold Trump responsible for America becoming a nation of assholes. True, he was obnoxious, boorish, and acted like one in the primaries. However, decent manners and civilized behavior became irrelevant and uncool with the rise of “stars” like Madonna, MTV, and potty mouthed child actors in popular movies like ET. Also, we had our first white trash President Bill Clinton who thought he could get away with just about anything.

    • Chris

      However, decent manners and civilized behavior became irrelevant and uncool with the rise of “stars” like Madonna, MTV, and potty mouthed child actors in popular movies like ET.

      That last one is hilarious.

      Anyway, to point out the obvious, we didn’t elect Madonna, Carson Daly, or Drew Barrymore to be president. The notion that civility and decorum were necessary for a president to have held up until November 7, 2016.

      Also, we had our first white trash President Bill Clinton who thought he could get away with just about anything.

      Clinton, unlike Trump, did not brag about his extramarital affairs in public. Your comparison is nonsense.

      • Wayne

        Trump FYI did not brag about his exploits in public. You know that his private conversation with Billy Bush was taped without his permission. You are quite a disingenuous person Chris.

        • Chris

          Trump FYI did not brag about his exploits in public. You know that his private conversation with Billy Bush was taped without his permission. You are quite a disingenuous person Chris.

          I’m not talking about that, but you’re wrong; Trump knew he was being taped at the time.

          I’m talking about this, from The Art of the Deal:

          If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller.

          http://therightscoop.com/heres-when-trump-bragged-in-his-book-about-his-multiple-affairs-with-his-friends-wives/

          And this, where he pretended to be his own spokesman and bragged about cheating on Marla Maples:

          Carswell called up Trump’s office to talk about allegations that Trump had taken up with model Carla Bruni and dumped Marla Maples, the woman with whom Trump cheated on his first wife, Ivana. “He’s living with Marla and he’s got three other girlfriends,” the “sort of new” PR man told Carswell when he called her back. “[Marla] wants to get back, she’s told it to a lot of her friends and she’s told it to him, but it’s so highly unlikely.”

          Carswell asked about some specific celebrities who were linked to Trump, including Bruni and even Madonna. “Miller” assured her Trump’s phone was ringing off the hook with A-listers. “I think that he’s got a whole open field, really,” he said. “I mean, they call. They just call. Actresses, people that you write about just call to see if they can go out with him and things.”

          According to Trump Revealed, the book by Washington Post reporters Michael Kranish and Marc Fisher, Carswell then “called Marla and played the tape. Maples burst into tears and confirmed the voice was Trump’s.

          http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-files-listen-donald-brag-about-his-affairs-while-pretending-be-someone-else

          So yes, Trump did brag about his exploits in public.

          • “I’m not talking about that, but you’re wrong; Trump knew he was being taped at the time.” Trump was not aware that the video was rolling as long as it was, and he did not give consent for it to be publicly aired. Not “boasting in public” by any fair measure. Nor is this…

            “If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller.” That’s bluster.Means nothing.

            And whatever he said on the phone while pretending to be someone else isn’t “bragging in public,” either.

            • Chris

              “If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller.” That’s bluster.Means nothing.

              That’s…literally bragging about banging married women. There is no other way to take that.

              I’ll have to disagree that pretending to be someone else to brag about committing adultery to a reporter, for the express purpose of having that reporter tell the public, isn’t “bragging in public.”

              I’ll concede I was wrong about the Bush tape.

              • That’s…literally bragging about banging married women. There is no other way to take that.

                Chris. Come on. I’m a lawyer. That statement wouldn’t be allowed as proof of any conduct at all, nor could a witness testify as to what he thought it meant. It isn’t “literally” boasting about anything at all. If I say, “You wouldn’t believe what I’ve done to my son,” that isn’t literally an admission, boasting, nothing.

                • Chris

                  This isn’t a courtroom. You know what Trump meant, I know what Trump meant, and everyone reading that knows what Trump meant. We also know for a fact that he *did* have affairs. This clearly shows he had no shame about it, and was in fact proud and boastful.

              • Chris wrote, “If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller”, “That’s…literally bragging about banging married women.”

                You use the word literally a whole lot more loosely than I do especially when the word literally means to “represent the exact words of the original text”. Literally speaking, that’s not what Trump said, you know it, I know it, Jack knows it, and so does everyone else reading it. Trump indirectly implied that he was “banging married women” but he did not “literally” state it.

                Chris wrote, “There is no other way to take that.”

                Maybe in the deprived mind of a sexual deviant there’s no other way to take it but in the real world that just bull. I’ve had plenty of experiences with married women, some are quite interesting, and absolutely none of them ended up with me banging that married woman.

                • Chris

                  Maybe in the deprived mind of a sexual deviant there’s no other way to take it but in the real world that just bull. I’ve had plenty of experiences with married women, some are quite interesting, and absolutely none of them ended up with me banging that married woman.

                  You are taking willful obtuseness to a whole new level.

                  • Chris said, “You are taking willful obtuseness to a whole new level.”

                    You’re the one that started this nonsense with your “literal” garbage, your word have consequences; be an adult and own it, learn from it, eat your crow and move on.

            • Warren

              Would it count as bragging in public to describe on the Howard Stern Show an incident in which he invited both his wife and his mistress to go skiing at the same time?

              • Warren

                Literally transcribing from the audio myself as I listen to it, so sorry about any typos:
                Robin: “Wait a minute, Donald, you had them skiing together on separate mountains?!”
                Trump: “Well, I thought I could get away with that, you know. You ever see how big the mountains are in Aspen? Who would ever believe like these two ants — these two ants were on mountains, Robin. And who would ever believe they’d get to see each other?”

              • Sure. Bragging about infidelity and bragging about sexual assault, of course, are not the same things. Infidelity, as we know, is virtually a Presidential tradition.

      • “The notion that civility and decorum were necessary for a president to have held up until November 7, 2016.”

        This is silliness.

        Obama’s divisive innuendo opened the door and put a foot out. But prior divisive rhetoric in Congress unlocked the door.

        • Chris

          I’m not talking about “divisive rhetoric,” I’m talking about civility and decorum.

          • For one example- insinuating that fellow members of your own government are essentially the moral equivalent of Iranian extremist hardliners IS *both* divisive AND uncivil as well as violating the decorum of the office that no modern president ever engaged in prior to Obama.

            • Chris

              My understanding is that comparison was made by one of Obama’s advisers, but that of course does reflect poorly on Obama, who is directly responsible for what his advisers say in public. I can see how such rhetoric “opened the door” for Trump to do things like comparing the CIA to Nazis.

              Still, when it comes to overall boorish public behavior, others may have opened the door, but Trump bolted through it and screamed “Honey, I’m home!”

              • More like…“Heeere’s TRUMPIE!!!

              • Nope, it was him.

                “It’s those hardliners chanting “death to America” who’ve been most opposed to the deal. They’re making common cause with the Republican Caucus.” -President Obama

                Civility, Decorum all go hand in hand with being a classy President in the traditional unifying mold of presidents. Sure Trump ratcheted up the vulgarity, but I’m not sure the left gets to cry about something they broke.

          • If you don’t think it all goes hand in hand as part of manners, you’re just an enabler.

    • I never said it would be immediate. Four years of a President acting the way he does, however, will do the trick. Watch.

  4. Seemed hubbie was trying to sink into his seat, hold his racing heart, & disappear all at once, while thinking, ‘here we effing go again!’

    Kudos to Koteskey’s remaining calm.

    Cursed with what one might call “ego strength,” I would have let loose with a stream of creatively indiscreet…um…observations that it is hoped would have shut her aghast pie-hole with all deliberate speed.

    I’m curious Jack; would it have been ethical to convince her verbally, albeit in a wickedly salty manner, that I don’t suffer no fools, so long as it was done in a modest tone and didn’t violate the tender sensibilities of other passengers?

    • Chris

      I’m curious Jack; would it have been ethical to convince her verbally, albeit in a wickedly salty manner, that I don’t suffer no fools, so long as it was done in a modest tone and didn’t violate the tender sensibilities of other passengers?

      I see no reason it wouldn’t be.

    • Well, obviously that’s what I would have done. He was amazing. “This is harassment, ma’am, and if you don’t shut up, and now, I will make sure you and your husband are thrown off this flight, and believe me, I can do it,” would be my statement.

      • Steve-O-in-NJ

        He also might have been within his rights to clock both of them. “Shut up, before I hit you in the mouth and break your jaw!”

    • It wouldn’t have taken much to send her right over the deep end, she was already well on her way; I just might have chosen to lightly push that button and watch her completely loose her mind; and I’m just the guy to perform such a delicate task.

  5. I see videos like this on probably a weekly basis, not that long ago it was a guy harassed in the common area of his building for 10 minutes by a (I’m presuming) heavily intoxicated latino.

    This is heavily anecdotal… But if this is Trump’s America, where Muslims, Blacks, Latinos and Gays are just a half step away from the lynching tree, why don’t I see videos depicting it? Why do I see the four black kids beating the disabled white boy? The hectoring liberals getting booted off planes (This is the… third… I think?)? The groups of rioters burning their cities? The protesters trying to block speech? Where are the hooded KKK members chanting white power in the streets? The intolerant bigots yelling their way off flights?

    (10 minute harassment video. “Cuck Norris and Triggered Tequila” I chuckled.)

    • Chris

      Didn’t Jack post a video a while back of a Trump supporter haranguing everyone on an airplane?

      White supremacists don’t really chant “white power” in the streets anymore; they’ve changed their tactics.

      I see videos of people yelling racial slurs all the time.

      • Alex

        People on both sides do it and are equally wrong.

        The only response to this is to send them all back to kindergarten until they learn enough social graces to interact in grown-up society.

      • I do remember this, but I don’t think a trend should be disregarded because of a couple outliers. You HAVE to realize this is MUCH more prevalent on your side of the aisle, right?

    • carcarwhite

      OMG i can’t believe this!!!! And my left friends say the Trump people are the bad ones. wow. I am in shock.

  6. Neil A. Dorr

    Jack,
    “… makes no effort to get his spouse to behave, the weenie.”

    Yes, spouses who allow their partners to act of their own accord, even if they’re making an ass of themselves, are such pushovers. I would have given anything to see the look on my mother’s face had my father ever tried to tell her to “behave.”

    -Neil

    • Chris

      When someone you love is acting unethically and making an ass of themselves, I think you do have a duty to try and stop them. This isn’t always easy, but it’s the right thing to do.

        • I easily can think of two husbands (this one makes three, but apparently he’d just lost his mother so maybe I’ll give him a pass), who habitually sit back sheepishly while their spouse behaves like a boor to guests, mechanics, or movie theater managers, and say nothing, the knowledge burned into their very souls that the nagging harangue sure to come at the end of the day, makes any action from themselves other than utter complicity, a very risky prospect and a sure antidote to any measure of calm or a good night sleep.

        • He wasn’t being a “weenie”. He was in agreement with her and supporting her. He was also hedging his bets against her boorish behavior hoping that if she went off the deep end, his calm demeanor would keep them on the plane. His (in)actions were designed to draw sympathy and create plausible alternatives to being removed from the plane…as he suggested. From memory of the video: “How about I switch seats with her and we don’t speak again?”

    • Steve-O-in-NJ

      How about if he told her she was acting like a fool, and to zip it before she got them both thrown off this plane?

  7. Oh, it gets better! (Third perspective) As she’s getting escorted off the plane, she turns around and flips him the bird. Stay classy, granny.

  8. Patrice

    One obvious piece of information that is not being addressed — the harrassed gentleman noted that he was surrounded by people on the plane some at least of whom he was certain were people who didn’t agree with his political choice but also didn’t agree with the abusive woman. What that tells me, and should tell the conservatives who lump all liberals together, that we are mostly like the other people on the plane — not like the crazy lady. IOW, please remember this when you paint with that broad brush.

    • A.M. Golden

      The last full paragraph in the entry, the quote, addresses the diverse crowd that supported him.

      • Patrice

        What I meant by my comment was that no commenter on this blog, so many of whom are conservative, made any notice of Jack’s mentioning that fact.

    • Now, now, nobody said this was typical behavior, PAW. If it were typical behavior, no plane would take off. However, only one political party has significant numbers of its members vowing “resistance” like they are living the barricade scene Les Miz, and having rallies where celebrities scream about in crude fantasies about the President of the United States. This does prime the wackos.

  9. That lady has a permanent character code error.

    That was the perfect moment for the husband to become a man with some real self respect; he should have stayed on the plane and waved bye to her as they escorted her off the plane? That would have been freaking classic. 🙂

  10. The passenger should have just said any number of progressive trigger words like “2nd amendment” or “personal responsibility” or “freedom of speech” and she would’ve passed out for the duration of the flight…

    • texagg04 said, “The passenger should have just said any number of progressive trigger words like “2nd amendment” or “personal responsibility” or “freedom of speech” and she would’ve passed out for the duration of the flight…”

      Maybe so, but can you imagine being forced to sit next to her, waiting for the inevitable waking up in full rabid political attack dog mode while the flight is still in the air. That Vulcan nerve pinch ain’t gonna work on a drooling rabid political attack dog more than once.

  11. Rick M.

    My son is a Captian with a legacy airline. He mentioned that his flight out of DC yesterday was a mixed bag of Trump supporters and those that marched. I have no details. He is also licensed to carry on the flight deck, but it would probably be better to let them all have a death match.

    Last summer he had a flight where it was Trump supporters returning from the convention and about 20 who were there to protest. Told me the flight (1,500 Miles) ran out of booze and each group was buying for the other. I loved that.

  12. I expect much, much more of this (self-righteous Scolding “Lady”), in time.
    “Achtung Juden!”

    • That is, “Achtung Juden!” is now “Achtung Trumpen!”
      (or something like that – Trump supporters now can expect a new kind of “gold star” treatment from various quarters of “the resistance”)

  13. E2 (nee Elizabeth I)

    Re the wimpy/abused/grief-stricken/terrified husband: if you wash out all the ambient noise from the tape, you can hear him humming “Octopus’s Garden.” Really.

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