“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”
—Maxine Waters, race-biting fool extraordinaire and, astoundingly, a member of Congress, endorsing the Red Hen restaurant’s denial of Sarah Huckabee’s right to enjoy a public accommodation with her family, and encouraging more of the same.
“Creating crowd” to harass someone who is doing no harm is called “inciting a riot.” If I see anyone trying to “create a crowd” to tell a citizen that he or she is not welcome, I’m calling the police. In the alternative, I’ll “create a crowd” of fair and decent Americans to make the point that bullies and bigots aren’t welcome in a civilized society. Fortunately most rational people realize that Waters is a vicious idiot, but the Democrats have an obligation to make her cool it.
She is going to get someone killed, and those who tolerate and enable her will be complicit.
Ethics Alarms 
Absolutely. I will join you in protesting the protests. Although, in Texas, this is much less likely to happen. However, if it does, I will walk. Loudly, and vociferously.
This is the first step to get the necessary emotion up to harm someone.
In Texas, that target might be armed, so less likely here.
As a thug found out last night: Followed a legal gun owner (and permitted carrier) into a store and opened fire. The gun owner did not.
https://www.ksat.com/news/police-responding-to-shooting-outside-east-side-convenience-store
When I heard this comment I said this goes beyond unethical it is criminal.
What a moronic FUCKING POS!
This makes her clueless, monumentally craven defense of Fannie, Freddie & Frankie (Raines) seem positively Mensan by comparison.
How exactly is this not one notch below a declaration of war?
They really want a fight that is physically harmful. They just don’t want to start it.
Can she not be impeached for this? At a minimum censure is a must.
If Nancy Pelosi was not vile and senile herself, she might be a responsible party leader and take action….and if Waters wasn’t black, of course.
Why does it take the house minority leader to initiate a censure or impeachment?
If it’s not bi-partisan, it’s meaningless, and both sides know it.
Except that ole Nance probably agrees wholeheartedly with the sentiment.
You wrote a post, several months ago, about an article based on the general premise that “the Left hates Americans”. You characterized the language as unnecessarily inflammatory… do you think now it is closer and closer to accurate?
No, I don’t think the Left hates Americans. They no longer understand what Americans are.
Very generous and magnanimous. My patience doesn’t have the reserves yours does. At some point the person screaming the things the Left *clearly* screams, loses benefit of Occam’s Razor.
*Hanlon’s Razor
What’s going to happen when the right decides to respond in kind?
We are going back to segregation, only instead of race, ideology is going to be the linchpin. The more intense it gets, the greater the chance that somewhere, someone is going to decide forming a private little army and punishing the oppressor is a good idea.
I would have no problem with some khaki-clad right-wingers giving Antifa a taste of their own medicine. A bunch of us in NY were prepared to do just that last Columbus Day before the rain put the kibosh on any protests.
It is very likely happen eventually. There is a critical mass that’s yet to be achieved, but we’re on the brink, in my opinion. When that event happens, it will be an exponential cascade, like a prompt criticality in a nuclear reactor with social media as the analogue to prompt neutrons. The result will be… damage.
We’ve seen polarization before, but in my lifetime, it’s never been like this. Not in the sixties, not Kent State. This is different, and it looks like it’s going to be far more deadly.
And I hope fervently all the above is wrong and none of it happens. But Waters and her ilk are doing their best to make me look prescient.
It has already exploded once, with that kook’s attack on the GOP baseball players. Next time it might be a sniper targeting a limo, or a gang charging and trying to kill a cabinet official walking to one engagement from another. The thing is, even if they succeed they fail.
Indeed.
The problem with the Leftist laity here self-exiling in a snit over objective analysis of Trump’s presidency is we never will get to see if they will at least condemn this abject hostility from their leadership or if they’ll wholeheartedly endorse the statement.
With no barometer to guage, and a recusal based anger over something as simple as unbiased analysis of this administration, my mind can only wander into dark guesses of where their opinions fall on this topic.
Yes, I found myself musing about how Chris would rationalize this. I can’t worry about people either lacking the integrity to admit when they are horribly wrong, and turning tail when they can’t make a persuasive argument. So they exit with an insult, and retreat to a comfy echo chamber elsewhere. Shame on them.
Shortly after I pointed out the obvious corruption and bias in the Mueller investigation, one leftish commentator of note announced that this indicated regretable “fever” and he was retiring until it subsided. Shortly after that, the IG’s report came out, which is a document showing exactly the kind of corruption and “deep state’ bias I was writing about.
Silly me…i would expect an honorable advocate to return and say, “Wow–was I ever wrong. I’m sorry.”
The “resistance’ is getting desperate, panicked, frustrated and self-destructive. Te behavior of some commenters here is as much of that process as Maxine’s outburst, the abuse of Sanders, and De Niro and Bee. These are people who fear they are horribly wrong, and who can’t face the fact ethically.
You aren’t the silly one, Jack. If someone’s ideology or anger are so blinding that they can’t engage civilly, then that’s their problem, and, since this is your board, you can prevent them from making it your problem. I would lament the departure of the second person you mention (since you don’t name him I won’t either) more than Chris.
A lot of people think I hate the left and liberal people just on principle. I don’t. I don’t doubt that Sparty is probably a delightful coffee companion under normal circumstances, and I get the sense that Valky would be a VERY interesting person to talk literature with. By the same token, if you want to talk history or aviation stuff or film I can probably entertain you for hours. Then all three of us get angry or triggered and we all say these frankly crazy things we shouldn’t say. Come on, ladies, admit it, we’ve ALL said some things we shouldn’t have It isn’t for nothing that there was that whole series of posts about hate and rage about this time last year, kicked off by the congressional shooting.
Chris, on the other hand, was by nature rude and unpleasant and really didn’t have any other side other than being a loudmouthed liberal repeating stuff you could read on Dailykos or Huffpo anytime you wanted, with a generous dose of snark, rudeness, and condescension, which made his arguments harder, not easier, to read. With respect, Jack, you really don’t need to muse that much to know what he would have said, just go to those sites, read what they are saying, spice it up with a few insults, and you’ll have a pretty good picture.
My dad had an interesting thought on why the left is where it is at this point. It ties in with Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross’s five stages of grief from her seminal psychiatric text “On Death and Dying.” As you might know, those five stages, very broadly, are 1. denial, 2. anger, 3. bargaining, 4. depression, and 5. acceptance. The left is dealing with the fact that they lost in 2016. They’ve moved past denial (“not my president” thinking they could stop the inauguration, etc), and gotten as far as anger. That’s as far as they have gotten and as far as they seem to want to get. They are not interested in bargaining, and they certainly don’t want to get all depressed publicly.
The thing is if they don’t, then they can’t accept what happened and move on to the next elections clear eyed, and if they can’t do that, then they can’t come into those elections saying “ok, we lost last time out because some of our ideas were not good ones, but here we have some better ones,” they have to come in saying “We hate Trump! AAAAAAARGH!” which is not that persuasive. It’s even less persuasive when their adherents are encouraging and engaging in this kind of behavior. I’m frankly surprised we haven’t seen anyone pull out the congressional shooting in an ad yet. I’m sure that when the summer is over and the campaign begins in earnest they will, and I also wouldn’t be surprised if this latest round of outrageous behavior appears in campaign ads, plus whatever other craziness the left engages in over the summer.
Anger that you can work through is one thing. Anger that you can work with like a fire is one thing. Anger you aren’t interested in working through or containing is like a fire you are just going to allow to burn out of control or even encourage burning out of control. Does the left really want to be seen as the party of anger, rage, and rigidity, that has no room for any ideas that are not the party line? I could name you two other historical political parties that thought like that. One really liked red, and the other loathed not only those who didn’t think like it, but who didn’t look like it. Does the left really think everyone else is so blind that they can’t see how they tried to force one person to serve against his convictions, but that they applaud someone else “living her convictions” by refusing service, as long as they are the right convictions?
At heart I think most Americans’ love of their country and their freedoms is still greater than their hatred of their countryman that they may not happen to agree with, but it is looking more and more like some are putting hatred of those they disagree with first. When that happens, don’t be surprised if we get another Preston Brooks incident, another Kent State, and ultimately a US Operation Banner.
I think Chris would have agreed with you on this but would have found the responses hypocritical. He has called Waters a moron before.
Waters’ statement would be wrong if she were a genius.
Agreed. It isn’t just wrong, it’s terrible.
Chris has been lurking her at EA… he just does not have the balls to apologize in order to participate.
Oh, he says EA is a waste of his time, that trying to convert the benighted commenters here is a hobby he chooses to forgo.
I checked out the twitter pages of some very strong leaning lefties I know earlier this morning, including our good-ole-buddy Chris, and what I’m seeing is a whole lot of hive mindedness. The echo chamber of Monkey See, Monkey Do Hive Mindedness retweeting by the loyal sheeple is in full gear.
Is stupidity contagious?
Stupidity is definitely contagious.
You’d think after the congressional shootings a year ago the lesson would have been learned. You once characterized Obama as having a flat learning curve. Would you now say that flat curve is party-wide?
The ideological always have flat learning curves. Effective leaders can’t afford to.
Which is why Obama was NOT an effective leader.
Also why Trump still talks off the cuff. His curve is not flat, but Mt Everest it is not.
I think you meant race-bating rather than race-biting, but I’m not sure. I kind of like race-biting.
I try to stick to rice-biting. They usually include a whole box of it whenever I order Chinese food.
–Dwayne
race-baiting.
The statement by Maxine Waters is proof positive that she’s a bigot that will rationalize anything to destroy anything she opposes.
Her district deserves her since they repeatedly elect her to Congress: But since she is a Democratic black congressman, she is untouchable.
Leftists are, by known measures, taken in the whole, unhappier, more frustrated, angrier, nastier, less likely to have families or intimate friends, less open to friendship and civility with whoever they disagree with, less charitable, less mentally stable, and more hedonistic. I also would hazard a guess that they are physically weaker.
They do have a lot of restless youthful energy in their side, and the utter failure of their philosophy to bring them inner peace is causing a lot of turmoil that is now manifesting as a willingness to become violent.
Traditional conservatives do not want this “civil war” everyone’s talking about. As evidenced by Sanders’ continued grace in these situations. And yet, if you poke the bear long and hard enough…I don’t think a series of violent clashes would go the way Leftists want it to. And that’s from someone who definitely does NOT want a war, and would rather see the Democratic Party rein in its crazies.
Maxine Waters is a person who remembers the 1992 L.A. riots with fond and public words, calling the looting and destruction of Korea-town “a milestone in the history of black people demanding justice.”
It is too bad they did not get justice.
Justice would have been the civil authority in Los Angeles being dissolved, with martial law put in its place.
They also don’t have a clear picture of what they stand for, other than a vague but strong assumption that the reason things aren’t going their way is because other people are doing something wrong.
Deconstruction mindset can neutralize their feelings of entitlement and use of the is-ought fallacy, which may help the situation.
They are just like incels.
Many of them probably are incels.
The Left has engaged in property damage and rioting as a result of 2016. Now they are increasingly engaging in aggressiveness towards individuals of differing political stripes.
They have the backing of leftist political leaders to continue amping up the aggressiveness.
This only ends in bloodshed.
If you have even remotely supported the calls for divisiveness, shame on you.
Michael,
So far I only see this sort of war being in urban areas, where progressives are found in high concentrations. Rioting in rural areas would not go well… for the rioters.
Seems like we need guns to protect ourselves from four footed predators… but they work quite well on the two footed sort.
So pathetic to try to drag Fred Rogers into this. Much like dolphins, rainbows, The Earth, and children, he is unable to inform them that he’d frankly prefer to be represented by someone else.
Funny…
Representative Waters has always been something of a Leftist trial balloon. The Alinskyite leaders whisper things in her ear and she loudly repeats them for the media and her supporters. Her statements are similar to recklessly testing the defensive lines of her opponents. Let’s see how her supporters and Constitutionalists react over time to her newest inflammatory pronouncements.
She has chosen to sow the wind; her opponents have every justification to make her reap the whirlwind!
Damn! I was right, at least about Bondi. It was a cowardly attack by a female, knowing she had the advantage. There is no excuse for wife-battering, but this kind of shrill, high-handed, verbal assault is the most common complaint in the hermetically sealed “she wouldn’t shut up; I couldn’t get a word in; she drove me crazy” world. The tragic thing about it is that the sound of it, like fingernails on a blackboard, will always leave a scrape on the cranial nerves of everyone within hearing, even if , like Bondi and Sanders, the victim is able to walk away from it.
Turn your back, walk away … and make a complaint re the circumstances, not the content.
So when does the shooting start?
(cocks his gun) Semper Fi.
I don’t believe that public establishments should refuse service because of political ideology. Similarly, I don’t believe that public establishments should refuse service due to gender, gender identity, or potential marital status. We’ve already settled this issue (in the courts sadly) when it came to race. But there was a lot of digital ink spilled here defending discrimination when it comes to religious beliefs. If people can’t recognize that the same analysis should apply to political beliefs (which is covered under the same damn amendment), then I am not willing to engage. Liberals do not want this new charged environment, we really don’t. But it’s hard not to smirk (just a bit) when these horrible people get a taste of their own medicine.
Come on, Sparty, you can do better than that. Horrible people? Just how are any of these three ladies “horrible people?” You might not agree with what they are doing, but none of them have done anything that isn’t defensible public policy. Saying they are horrible people is just proving Charles Krauthammer, may he rest in peace, right when he said that liberals think conservatives are evil. If you don’t want this environment, then tell your fellow libs to knock it off. If you stand on the sidelines and smirk, then don’t say we didn’t warn you when the reaction is worse than the action.
I don’t think conservatives are evil. 99% of my family falls in this camp, heck many of my friends fall in this camp too. I “do” believe, however, that many of the individuals in this administration are on the wrong side of just about every policy (and on the wrong side of history for that matter). Thankfully, I know very few conservatives who enthusiastically support (or even support at all) this administration.
Sparty, with respect, you just said these were horrible people getting a taste of their own medicine. When you couple that with your statement that you don’t think conservatives are evil it sounds like you are proverbially talking out of both sides of your mouth. I know you are wiser than that. Have you had your coffee? Are the kids home from school and bugging you?
I don’t think this administration bears anything close to true conservatism.
That’s just the No True Scotsman argument used as a dodge.
Who has ever said it was? Nevertheless, it has embraced certain core conservative principles, like reducing regulations, and uh, enforcing the law and following the Bill of Rights, which didn’t used to be a conservative principle, since Democrats once embraced the Bill of Rights too.
Basic patriotism was also not a conservative value once – but, since Obama tried to be Community Organizer to the world…
Jack — I was addressing Steve’s somewhat convoluted logic that I am somehow saying that conservatives are evil people. I never said that. What I do believe, however, is that the Republican party let a con man take over and he put his cronies in place. Smart conservatives recognize this so there is an ideological battle going on within the Republican party — and I think principled conservatism is losing out because Trump’s rhetoric has resonated with a core group of people who are voting for candidates who are (or claim to be) Trump clones.
As for Steve, stop throwing out Jack’s rules if you aren’t willing to abide by them yourself. I’m sick of whataboutism.
We in the GOP will handle our own internal issues, but thanks for your concern. Like it or not, Trump may be headed towards becoming the Ronald Reagan of the 21st century.
The rules are the rules and I’m trying to stick within them, now that one of the biggest triggermen is out of the picture. I leave the rest of the rule talk to Jack.
The indigenous Mayans were on the wrong side of history as well I suppose.
That smirk is indistinguishable from those who smirk at blacks being shot by badly trained police because :they” support reverse-racist policies. To be blunt: what the hell’s the matter with you?
First: You have just unilaterally accepted one side of a controversy as the correct one. That baker does not say he is refusing service because of gender orientation, and indeed, the baker offered to sell any other kind of cake. He claims, in my view wrongly, that baking a wedding cake impinges on his faith.
Second, and by the way, How dare you?, you have characterized my commentary and analysis falsely by reference to some of the comments on it. I have been consistent from the start in holding that as a matter of ethics, nobody should withhold service from a gay couple or anyone else in a public accommodation, and that not doing so constitutes being an unAmerican, divisive, asshole. Whether one CAN do it, the legal issue, is separate.
Those here who disagree have stated their position and received my rebuttals. THEY< however, have not thrown hissy-fits and tantrums and announced boycotts, "time outs" and exits following personal insults to me. Why is that?
Third, the baker did not throw the couple out of his establishment, deride them, or demand that they leave. You're a lawyer" what the hell kind of half-assed, tortured analogy is tHAT?
Finally, you complained about a decline in the quality of comments here. What’s your excuse for THIS crap?
You are falling into lockstep with the deranged, SS. Get a grip.
(“Right side of history”? Seriously? You call that a substantive argument? “It’s Fate!” “God has willed it!” “Resistance is futile!” Unbelievable.)
Smirking generally at someone else’s suffering is jerkass behavior, and something I don’t think I have ever done. A few times I have said that someone got what they deserved, but never have I “smirked” like a seventh grader who’s just seen a classmate I didn’t like trip, fall, and get hurt.
In all fairness, this isn’t a tantrum, and SS doesn’t usually go that far, although the thread regarding the death of Scalia got extreme (he was a polarizing figure). It’s just not a quality response.
P.S. The SCOTUS just sent the florist case back to the Washington courts for another look. The message is coming through loud and clear that they don’t want to have to make a call on this question, because either way a lot of people are going to be unhappy if they do.
It’s a metaphorical smirk. You’ve done far worse Steve. And why do you keep talking about Scalia? I think you confuse me with other liberals on that one.
Mmmhmm, a lot of us have done worse. Part of it is that a few folks on your side have done a great deal worse. Those folks have moved on, and I’d like to think the level of discourse will rise as a result. I keep bringing up Scalia because his death, midway through a four-day weekend in February 2016, led to an explosion of incivility, in which you, valky, and I were all very angry and uncivil, although you were not as bad as she was (talking about castrating and burning Mitch McConnell) or, as I must admit, I was (extremely foul language, shouting).
Well, I am at work, so I apologize that I don’t have time to reply to this in detail.
As for the offense, I was not referring to you personally. In fact, I believe I referenced “people here” — not Jack Marshall.
As for being on the right side of history, I know I am — at least when it comes to undocumented immigration. But I won’t debate that anymore, because you (and now I am referring to you personally) and I start from completely different ideological viewpoints. So debating would be a waste of both of our times since we can’t agree on the starting point.
History has conclusively shown that open borders is a recipe for national catastrophe, and Europe is proving this again one more time.
I love it when people say they are on the right side of history and don’t know what the history is.
I am, by definition, the primary “person” here.
My position on illegal immigration is in no way ideological, since it follows from law, government theory, history and common sense. The pro-illegal immigration argument, in contrast, is 100% ideological, since it defies reality. And that’s the problem, not “starting points.”
I am a student of history and laws — just like you. (Indeed, my history degree came with high honors attached to it.) We also went to the same law school. I know more about history and law — well, the vast majority of people truthfully.
So, one of us is wrong. I’m comfortable with my odds and apparently so are you. No need to discuss it further.
Still Spartan wrote, “But it’s hard not to smirk (just a bit) when these horrible people get a taste of their own medicine.”
Still Spartan, there in-lies the root of the problem that you and may like you from the political left are having these days, you think these are “horrible people” just because of their opinions instead of thinking that these are horrible opinions. You are “yours” are morally bankrupt!
YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!
Out of curiosity, do you write emails to your elected representatives every day using boldface, all caps, and exclamation points, or are you more of the “cut each word out of magazines and glue them into sentences” type of intellectual?
Sparty,
Was that supposed to be some kind of useless ad hominem?
P.S. What, when, and how I write to elected representatives is none of your damn business.
It was funny.
Sure it might tickle the funny bone of some; however, that doesn’t change the fact that the entire comment was nothing but an ad hominem and therefore a pointless/useless “attack” on the messenger.
This is something that is frowned upon on this website. I’ve tried to learn my lessons in that regard, Still Spartan should do the same.
You owe me a keyboard, Sparty.
Conservatives learned long ago that writing their elected representatives was a waste of time. /snark
Roger Simon, conservative blogger, wrote this in part (quoted by Instapundit):
But I have news for them. It’s not at all about Trump. It’s about them.
Trump is what the shrinks call the ‘presenting complaint.” The real problem, as is often the case in psychotherapy, is something entirely different. And it is this: the left is dead. It’s not only dead, it’s decomposed with no there there or anywhere.
Only dopes or con artists believe in socialism anymore (hello, Venezuela!) and identity politics has been exposed as the racist shell game it is with blacks and Latinos actually doing better than they have in decades under the current pro-capitalist administration.
So the left has nothing to say, only most of them don’t quite realize it yet. But this blockage, this reluctance and even inability to deal with what is actually happening shuts down the brain and emerges as anger, the hamster wheel of constant rage against Trump.
And that, of course, feeds on itself, as we have seen for the past year and a half, making matters worse, not just for the obvious reason – the aforementioned alienation of the public – but for what it does to their own minds.
Anger makes you stupid. When is the last time you heard a creative idea coming out of the left? (Herbert Marcuse? Okay, scratch that.) When is the last time they even debated the issues in a serious way rather than simply hurling invective or worse?
Infuriating them even more is that Trump is not even a conventional Republican or a conventional anything for that matter, making a mockery of people (like leftists) with rigid, reified (and highly conventional) ideologies that, in most cases, haven’t altered one jot in decades.