Ethics Warm-Up, 11/13/18: ” Not Dead, Just Wishing I Was” Edition

I’m here.

The weekend was a near total wipe-out for me, as the incipient flu-cold or whatever it is that has been stalking me for at least a couple of weeks finally ended all ambiguity by leveling me  just as the long weekend was getting started. I was in bed virtually all day yesterday, most of the day before, and if I’m getting better, damned if I can see it. I’ve always got to be wary when I cough like this, as I am susceptible to bronchitis, but ProEthics, and ethics itself, wait for no Weenie.

1. What do you do with these idiots? The guys in Baraboo High School’s class of 2019 posed with Nazi salutes at their junior prom this year.

It isn’t Mel Brooks High School: “the  Heil sign” is only amusing or satirical in the most carefully constructed context. In any other time of place, it trivializes a historical nightmare, genocide and the engineered murder of millions of people by a madman,  his henchmen, and a poisoned culture. The Wisconsin school district that included Baraboo claims to acting on the photo,  but since it went viral on social media, current and former students have said that the school itself has a culture of racism and bigotry openly that is allowed to thrive by indifferent teachers and administrators.  There’s a lot I don’t understand about the photo.  Where are the girls? Are these only the Nazis in the class, or is it all of the boys? The kids that aren’t saluting: are they protesting against the display? Did they just miss the shot? Why are they in the photo at all? Who in their right mind would participate in such a stunt?

2. Fact: acting U.S. Attorney General Matthew Whitaker has no conflicts of interest with the Mueller investigation. So why are Democrats insisting that he recuse himself, now that his is overseeing the investigation as Jeff Sessions could not? As far as I can see, the only reason is that they want Rod Rosenstein, who had been the acting AG for only the Mueller matter to continue to supervise it because he is perceived as being hostile to the President. Rosenstein does have a conflict, and properly should have recused himself long ago. He was very much involved in the Comey firing, which is part of the  Mueller investigation’s inquiry into alleged obstruction of justice by the President. He conceivably possesses information about the President’s  motives in firing Comey, and quite possibly has  a personal interest in how the episode is interpreted. Rosenstein thus would very likely be a necessary fact witness in any obstruction inquiry in connection with the Comey firing. That’s a conflict.

Whitaker, however, has no conflict. His statements about how Mueller has run the investigation don’t create a conflict of interest under the applicable ethics rules, not does it raise the appearance of impropriety. Democrats are signaling here, as they have repeatedly for two years, that their objective is to “get Trump” by any means necessary, and they will torture and distort, law, ethics and common sense to achieve that goal.

3. “Unthinkable.” Since I was capable of doing little more yesterday than sitting around in my fluffy Red Sox robe watching TV with a trickle of drool oozing from my mouth, I caught up on some movies. One was 2010’s “Unthinkable,” an excellent Ethics Incompleteness Principle film starring Samuel L. Jackson. The plot explores the point where the Ethics Alarms absolute rejection of the United States engaging in torture breaks down: three nuclear devices are scheduled to explode in three major cities, time is short, and the man who planted them is in custody. The ethical conflict was nicely articulated during one climax, where an FBI agent (Carrie Ann Moss) declares that what interrogators are proposing is too monstrous, and that they should just let the bombs go off—killing millions. Hmmmmthat can’t be right…

84 thoughts on “Ethics Warm-Up, 11/13/18: ” Not Dead, Just Wishing I Was” Edition

  1. #1 Jack wrote “It isn’t Mel Brooks High School: “the Heil sign” is only amusing or satirical in the most carefully constructed context. In any other time of place, it trivializes a historical nightmare, genocide and the engineered murder of millions of people by a madman, his henchmen, and a poisoned culture.”

    I completely agree.

    This was a terrible terrible “joke” especially in our social justice warrior cult infested society. What will happen to these youth as they grow older and venture out into the real world, college, work, relationships, children, etc with this constantly hanging over their ignorant Animal House School of Thought heads? I will be really curious to see how the social justice warrior cult and Progressives treat all of the individuals in the photo participating in this hand gesture. Are some going to be treated differently than others? How will they treat the people in the photo that are Republicans, Conservatives, Liberals, Progressives, Socialist, Communists, ANTIFA, SJW’s, etc? Remember how social justice warriors tarred Kavanaugh for just being accused of wrong doing when in High School there is photographic evidence that these adolescents did this. Remember how the social justice warriors treated the woman sitting behind Kavanaugh for a hand gesture that they twisted into something racist.

    I heard some local lefties are already tarring all of these students as racists Republicans and the ones that didn’t participate as pure Democrats.

    • It isn’t Mel Brooks High School: “the Heil sign” is only amusing or satirical in the most carefully constructed context. In any other time of place, it trivializes a historical nightmare, genocide and the engineered murder of millions of people by a madman, his henchmen, and a poisoned culture. The Wisconsin school district that included Baraboo claims to acting on the photo, but since it went viral on social media, current and former students have said that the school itself has a culture of racism and bigotry openly that is allowed to thrive by indifferent teachers and administrators. There’s a lot I don’t understand about the photo. Where are the girls? Are these only the Nazis in the class, or is it all of the boys? The kids that aren’t saluting: are they protesting against the display? Did they just miss the shot? Why are they in the photo at all? Who in their right mind would participate in such a stunt?

      There is another perspective though. But I admit that it is a hard one to hear, and harder to mentally — and spiritually — digest. The basic idea runs like this: The Holocaust has become a tool of manipulation. This is, of course, despite any aspect of the extreme nature of the German expulsion of the Jews from Germany and the subsequent events that were compounded under war conditions.

      As I have said a number of times The Holocaust has come to emblemize what can only be understood as Ontological Malevolence. In a way (some say) the crafted modern story sublimates ‘The Jews’ into the former narrative of the crucified Christ, and the guilt for this terrifying event functions as a shadow over the world but more specifically over Europe. The shadow, then, hangs over all Europeans, and obviously (and exclusively) over white Europeans. Since no one can deny the very real horror of the Expulsion nor the subsequent events, one is stuck (if you will) within a story that deeply implicates oneself, and there is no way out of it. Who ‘manages’ if you will this guilt-narrative? What function has it come to serve? Well, that is a very complex question, and a deeply psycho-political one. But certain answers can be suggested.

      In my view, nearly the entirety of the perceptual platform of the *SJW* has been constructed on another perceptual platform that establishes a relationship to Ontological Malevolence which, as I suggest, is ultimately underpinned by the guilt of the Holocaust event. This guilt is in fact monumentalized in Holocaust memorials which are installed as more or less sacred memorials down among the Gentiles. Really, they are quite bizarre when you think about it (to the degree that one can freely think about such things, and one in fact cannot, the reason being is that the enormous mechanism of guilt, like a giant trap or spring, has been set up to lord it over all people of the Occident; one false step and you will be crushed!).

      The Holocaust Event, of course (this should be obvious to all) is therefor something more than a managed event or perception. It is a strangely inculcated and indeed a sort of socializing ritual. It’s secular (in most cases) but it is infused with religious (metaphysical) content. The purpose of it, if the truth is to be told, has a great deal to do with control. Literally, you have to drag children to the *movie* so that they can watch the destruction-events; feel the ground shake; smell the horrifying smells; and in this way *embody* the implied guilt. And very special (and real) *movies* certainly exist, the best example being Schindler’s List. (This movie, a horrifying fable really, can be seen as a genre of enactments within the general genre of historical and horror-ritual such as Mississippi Burning and Twelve Years a Slave. It should be obvious how these very specialized visual rehearsals are created and designed to instill guilt, and that they underpin the perceptual structure of the modern SJW. Actually, these are general perceptual modes common to most everyone.

      So, with all this as a backdrop, it would be seen that turning against the Politically Correct and the contrived guilt-slinging that had been constructed, quite literally in my view, as a tool of oppression and of social control, requires disobedience. In other words it calls it forth.

      Now, it must be understood that this is not undesired nor unpredicted (when the disobedience shows itself). No. It is part of the entirety of the Enactment! That some kids, somewhere, or anyone, somewhere, will deliberately and mischievously raise their arm in the Roman Salute is a necessary, and also a meaningful, act of resistance! But when it happens it actually serves the more or less total function of the established guilt. It proves the horror and the danger still exists! They get to go after these kids in octaves of similar enactment, like Nazi hunters prowling the remote districts of Argentina. I mean to say that it all fits together, it is all part of a whole.

      • Or it could just be that the photographer told them to do something and they did it, not really thinking or thinking about whether it was a Naz. . . . uh . . Roman salute. Teenagers do things like that – their brains are focused on one thing and one thing only: lunch,or in this case, breakfast. They thought, “‘The Breakfast Club’? We have a ‘Breakfast Club’ on campus. Wahoo! Hope they are serving pancakes and sausage. Yeah! Breakfast Club here we come!'” Or something like that.

        jvb

        • I did a bit more research. The photographer — whose life has now been ruined and whose wife is a nervous wreck from all the assault they have gotten, nationally and internationally — says that he simply asked them to wave to their families. It is possible then that this is a mistake.

          However, this does not change anything of what I wrote and, as I hope is obvious, everything that I wrote is true and accurately describes an important thing. The *thing* is important to understand if understanding our present is important.

          But, I do recognize too that sometimes a will not to understand, or to super-impose some other view in lieu of actually seeing *the truth* or *reality*, is sometimes necessary and, strange as it sound, perhaps even more ethical.

          • Apparently, this all started because an intrepid twit named Jules Suzdaltsev posted the photo, asking the photographer why the boys were zeigheiling for their prom. Here is his twitter account/page:

            He is a contributor to Young TUrks and VIce magazine. Perhaps he has/had an agenda or perspective to promote, knowing full well he would be branding a bunch of teenagers as Nazi Youth in training. Could be. Not sure. His most recent post is this:

            Jules Suzdaltsev
            ‏Verified account @jules_su

            I called my grandma last night to let her know that internet Nazis had posted her address online because they were mad about something I wrote, and she said,

            “It’s okay дорогой, if Nazis are mad at you then you’re doing something right.” 🤗
            9:42 AM – 13 Nov 2018

            He is quite accomplished as a writer. Here is a really well-written and thoughtful post for Vice:

            https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8gkgj4/was-jesus-gay-702

            Read it at your leisure. Let his prose wash over you, taking you to far away places where peace, tolerance, and truth rain from the azure skies, reigning forever in harmony with nature, reining in hate and violence.

            jvb

            • Teen boys doing something real dumb does not surprise me. Ignoring the frenzy, people who are in a reviled minority are usually smart enough avoid taunting the (media) mob.

              What bothered me more about the new Democrats in the second image was that they were ALL women and on the young side. Health and ICE are a good issues to work on, but there isn’t enough money in the world to do all four. (and the overeaching Green would make more obstacles for feeding billions and the march for all to have a smartphone. who’s more speshial?) Making a paradise for young and pretty people, especially the women. Everyone in a utopia… When did Logan’s Run become a real thing?

            • Not sure if this was directed to me, but just by the way I do not believe anything anymore. It is really a point of philosophical understanding that, to all appearances, it is very hard to get an accurate picture of the world. Especially when there is an intermediary with an *agenda* (as they say).

              What this means is I think distressing: I have to live within suspended belief and in distrust of one degree or other. Surely this is a condition of postmodernity.

  2. 1. I’ve read online that apparently one of the students in the photo that is not raising his arm claims the photographer told them all to do it and they had only a few seconds to get into position (or salute, if you will) and he did not. Make of that what you will.
    2. Correct. Members of the Trump administration or have been hired by Trump are enemies until or unless they are either fired by Trump or leave voluntarily. In which case, they are media darlings. It’s kind of like the FBI: Comey in July of 2016 is a friend, in October of 2016 an enemy, he cost Hillary the election in November until he was fired and now he’s a martyr for the Democratic cause…I guess.
    3. She should’ve consulted with Mr. Spock. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few…or the one.

    • Ah, but Mr. Spock, I hold that choosing sacrificing the one may be moral IF the one is yourself. (like his against Khan) Ten of your buds knifing some kid for immortality or riches, does not justify killing the one. Sometimes numbers are not the answer either. The streetcar problem has always bothered me as well.

      I included a question of torture by good guys in a recent chapter of a story, comparable to those three cities and the lead agonized, deciding that saving millions was more important than a lily-white conscience. Because I am an evil author, they lost their best friend and mentor over it when they got home… 😉 Torture has been done to far too many people for too many times and for reasons that were not a true necessity, but bias. I’d rather it never be done and feel nauseated when faced with this level of dilemma in stories, but people should think about it with the safer distance of fiction instead of the more clouded ambiguity of history.

      • mariedowd wrote, “Torture has been done to far too many people for too many times and for reasons that were not a true necessity, but bias.”

        Here’s two questions concerning torture for those that choose to reply;

        Is inflicting severe pain the only form of torture that exist?

        Should terrorizing someone or a group of people be considered torture?

        • 1) No, but it would be much harder to deal with things other than physical damage. That can be recorded and more easily confirmed. How can you separate emotional/mental torture from out of bounds perceptions? A teen can see mowing the muddly lawn as torture, and snowflakes can see something normal don’t bat an eye at ans ruibing their lives… Fresh scars can be proven,

          That’s a subset of the above question, so terror and abuse can destroy people as well as the rack.

    • the photographer told them all to do it and they had only a few seconds to get into position

      Assuming the students knew what was meant by the gesture, and who like all under-educated American children were vastly delighted by the idea of being led by a real Nazi (apparently backed up by others, as Jack noted) instead of a president they had been taught to disrespect, there is always the possibility — and we have known longer shots, haven’t we? — that the photographer was doing what good group photographers do, and attempting to (1) get them all to settle down without performing the futile exercise of begging them to do so; (2) create a stretching situation that would result in an automatic release of tension and self-consciousness, to get that “natural” look; or (3) fight off the growing realization of what his new-grown toothbrush mustache, knowledge of Austrian-accented German, and the ghostly pressure on his “button” finger meant.

  3. 1–Many of the accounts of this carry a qualifier: seems like, apparently, etc.

    ​”(Wheel Memories photographer Pete) Gust could not be reached for comment Monday, but in an interview with Madison365, he said he asked the boys to “give me a High Sign, a wave that you’re saying goodbye to your parents.”

    This has been confirmed by a number of the parents and kids from the photo.

    Take a close look at the “salutes,” and judge for yourself.

    ‘Course, if that’s shown to be the case, the tsunami of spittle-flecked froth this created will look like so much spooge on the media’s collective face.

    ​Then there’s the unimpeachable Snopes rating it a TRUE.

    That a plus or a minus…?

  4. #3 The TV show “24” with Kiefer Sutherland deals with that almost every episode. There’s not enough time, the terrorists are going explode an nuclear bomb, release a biological agent, etc, and the main character has to break the conventional rules to save America. Although, in that show, America is like Gotham City, always plagued with terrible terrorist acts every quarter, who would want to live there?

  5. Sorry to hear about the flu/cold. I feel your pain. My fever is down to a level where it is safe to drive.

    The problem is that he doesn’t have a conflict of interest. The Democrats want the right kind of conflict of interest.

    • 77Zoomie:

      If what the photographer is saying is true, then the universal condemnation of the photo and the boys is not only unwarranted, but based upon false premises. I don’t know whose Razor it is (Hanlon? Occam? Bic?) but it would fit here: “Don’t attribute to malice what should be attributed to incompetent or negligence”, or in this photo, a happy camera finger. I imagine* the photographer will have to be sacrificed for the greater good, though, as well as the futures of all of the boys.

      jvb

      *Ed. Note: I tried to reinterpret Lennon’s “Imagine” but my version just came out corny. Sorry.

      • If what the photographer is saying is true, then the universal condemnation of the photo and the boys is not only unwarranted, but based upon false premises.

        You wave with your arm straight and palm down? Really?

        I bet you don’t.

        Now as to believing the photographer. He looked at the pictures and then decided to publish this one. Am I supposed to believe he didn’t know exactly what it looks like?

        So which razor presumed that anyone in 21’st century wouldn’t see a bunch of boys doing a Nazi salute?

        That excuse is absurd on its face, Anyone latching onto it is doing it as a desperate way to pretend that this shit isn’t on the rise in Trump’s America.

  6. I’ve always got to be wary when I cough like this, as I am susceptible to bronchitis, but ProEthics, and ethics itself, wait for no Weenie.

    I was not aware that particular appendage could cough! I will have to have a talk with, er, ‘little slick’ for not living up to his potential…

  7. I’ll repost this here so Jack doesn’t have to concern himself with taking it out of moderation because of it containing two links.

    1–Many of the accounts of this carry a qualifier: seems like, apparently, etc.

    ​”(Wheel Memories photographer Pete) Gust could not be reached for comment Monday, but in an interview with Madison365, he said he asked the boys to “give me a High Sign, a wave that you’re saying goodbye to your parents.”

    This has been confirmed by a number of the parents and kids from the photo.

    Take a close look at the “salutes,” all the smiling faces, and judge for yourself.

    ‘Course, if that’s shown to be the case, the tsunami of spittle-flecked froth this created will look like so much spooge on the media’s collective face.

    • The student in the upper right corner was interviewed and he said he refused to participate in the NAZI solute. Either he or the photographer is lying….

      • A student in the middle front row is also flashing the “OK” sign (of Brett Kavenough fame). This leads me to conclude it was deliberate trolling, rather than innocent waving being misinterpreted.

  8. Looks to me as if those guys are waving. Their arms are not straight, their thumbs are not firmly against their index finger’s knuckle. They are smiling. NAZIs didn’t smile when they were sig heiling. They are not standing at attention and clicking their heels. They look like farm boys saying “hi.”

  9. Hope you feel better.

    Re: 2
    Do you think heads would explode if Trump is forced to name Rosenstein as acting AG and then requires him to recuse himself in the Mueller investigation due to his conflicts of interest Then he names Whitacre to replace Rosenstein as Assistant AG to oversee the probe.

    • I bet that would frost Frosh.

      For those that dont know Brian Frosh is MD’s AG who filed todays suit to enjoin Trump from picking Whitacre
      .

  10. #3. Aside from the ethical reasons to denounce torture, there is another reason; it does not work reliably. With the infliction of enough pain or psychological terror the majority of people can be made to talk but they cannot be made to tell the truth. They make up things or they tell the torturer what they think he wants to hear to make it stop. History is full of documented cases of people under torture for witchcraft or heresy, for example, who told the most fantastical tales. Tales that were believed, and in many cases led to the torture and death of others, because there was then an accepted belief that information obtained by torture must be true. A more modern case is Lt. McDilda a pilot captured after Hiroshima who told the Japanese the Unites States had 100 atom bombs and Tokyo was a target and was apparently believed.

    There are also many documented cases of people who under the most extreme torture refused to confess or provide information. Urbain Grandier chronicled by Huxley in “The Devils of Loudun” being an example. There have also been many people who allowed themselves to be pressed to death, a horrible fate, rather than enter a plea in court. I don’t think there can be justification for torture when the only guaranteed outcome is that a human being will suffer. If we could be certain the information that might possibly be extracted at such cost would be accurate, then the Ethics Incompleteness Principle might apply.

    • #3. Aside from the ethical reasons to denounce torture, there is another reason; it does not work reliably. With the infliction of enough pain or psychological terror the majority of people can be made to talk but they cannot be made to tell the truth. They make up things or they tell the torturer what they think he wants to hear to make it stop…

      Ah… if that happens, you’re doing it wrong (so to speak). Without telling you how I know, I present the following in the same spirit as that in which Orwell provided “1984”, not as an operations manual but as a caution:-

      First, you should avoid leading questions and the like, so only the subject generates the results (and you often don’t care about false information if it is the right sort of wrong, say of the sort that implicates the innocent). Second, you should use active demonstration to make it clear that it won’t stop anyway, regardless of prisoner speech or conduct; that is, it will only stop according to outside criteria (e.g., beatings are often inflicted to induce fatigue rather than pain as such, with no questioning then and there, to assist with a subsequent interrogation that is not under torture by making dissimulation harder to sustain). Third, you can play the numbers so the stubborn hold outs don’t matter as much: if you have a number of subjects you can afford to use different lines of questioning and correlate the results, even using a few subjects up, improving signal to noise (and if they have previously co-ordinated their responses, you will thereby detect that they were working together before capture); indeed, processing some innocents too can help with this, by providing a control reference (remember, “good cop/bad cop” is actually an appeasement mechanism initiated by normal people under duress, not by questioners, so if you don’t lead subjects into this you will find it easier to spot the trained ones). Last, the results can be used to supplement other intelligence efforts if time allows, rather than going straight to some uncorroborated conclusion (the French found Algerian suspects generated enough fresh suspects that eventually they could get near enough to all the genuinely guilty; the French failure in Algeria was of a different sort)

      Compare and contrast the sound use of polygraphs, and remember that effectiveness and efficiency are not the same thing, with efficiency not a priority if raw material is cheap and plentiful (think sparging to get concentrated hydrogen peroxide). “If we could be certain the information that might possibly be extracted at such cost would be accurate” is the wrong criterion when you can play the numbers. Who cares about a few false positives…

      • If modern western agencies still torture to gain information (something I know nothing about) then there is the implication it works, at least after a fashion.

        The agencies are not known to waste their time on tactics that do not produce results.

  11. 1) It’s really not a good subject for that kind of joke. As I was reading this, I was also chatting with a lady whose mother spent time in a Gestapo prison in Poland. She was fortunate to survive the war, I’d say.

  12. These are boys trolling the crap out of a culture that says they can’t do something like that.

    It’s not intelligent of them to do so, given that legions of SJWs will have already identified every single one of these boys and are fully prepared (and eagerly willing) to ruin their adult lives as necessary. It isn’t ethical of them to do so because of the current climate regarding the recent Synagogue shooting…but it isn’t inherently unethical for teenage boys to engage in otherwise harmless hijinks.

    But these boys are doing what irreverent juveniles have done time immemorial: see what level of offence they can tease out of a hyper sensitive society that has telegraphed exactly the ways it can be most easily offended.

    I don’t buy for a minute the excuse that they are waving.

    I also don’t buy for a minute that this is an aspiring battalion of Hitlerjugend revealing their true world view.

    • So wait, these juveniles did this poorly thought out prank in May of 2018 or May of 2017?

      And the “ground breaking journalist” with the signature significant facial hair Jules Suzdaltsev discovered this now?

      Yeah sure.

    • But these boys are doing what irreverent juveniles have done time immemorial: see what level of offence they can tease out of a hyper sensitive society that has telegraphed exactly the ways it can be most easily offended.

      1. The Golden Rationalization, or “Everybody does it”

      Not feeling a lot of sympathy for 16-year-old edge lords.

      • Gosh I don’t recall trying to defend the boys’ conduct as ethical. Oh wait in fact I explicitly claimed their conduct was unethical.

        The interpretation of these boys as some sort of white nationalists is what I’ve actually attacked here. And you should sympathize with them. There was a grown adult present who didn’t do his duty to guide the boys either away from the asinine stunt or to at least give them pause to think about the ethics of their stunt. But instead the grown adult didn’t teach the juveniles anything. And in fact probably endorsed conduct in their minds.

  13. Forget the chicken, forget the noodle, stay in bed, watch reruns of Father Knows Best and John Wayne movies, and dream of being Juror #9.

  14. #1 …again…

    I count about 32 “heil salute’ish” hands in the air (I missed putting an arrow on one of them) which is roughly half of the teenagers in the photo. In addition to those 32 there are some that are fist pumping, some appear to be waving, at least one looks like it might be a regular kind of salute, and some don’t appear to be gesturing with their hands at all.

    The only facts we have to go on is the photo itself and the words of the people that were actually there – DON’T ASSUME! The problem is that long after any explanation of why this was done fades into obscurity, the photo will remain as the only evidence of the event and there will be some of those students that will be tarred as racist Nazi’s now and later in life because of this nonsensical “joke” regardless of truth. I’ve heard that what the photographer told them was to give the “high sign” which could easily be misinterpreted as asking for the “heil sign” but it’s absolutely clear in the photo that some are simply waving while others were giving what appeared to be the heil sign and others chose a completely different gesture if they did anything.

    I don’t give a damn what anyone thinks of me for this but I am choosing to believe the photographer in that he told them to give the “high sign” and some of the teenagers went off he rails because they misunderstood the instruction or, as teenagers ignorantly do sometimes, they did it as a “joke” to flip-the-bird at the perceived insanity of social justice movement – it was a bad joke. This is what seems to me to be the most plausible explanation of the photo. If any of you choose to hate me, call me a racist because of this, call me an enabler, or make accusations that I’m rationalizing this, etc, my reply up front top you is bite me.

    People that have instantly condemned everything about the photo are jumping to conclusions and leaping on the social justice warrior cult’s pompous-ass virtue-signaling parade wagon and really don’t give a shit about truth or the path of near or absolute destruction they leave in their wake to control absolutely everything in society. To these people I say bite me and you are the current problem in our society not these ignorant high school students.

    What is clear about this photo is that what happened was wrong in the eyes of society, and that folks is all.

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