And Yet Another Entry From The Res Ipsa Loquitur Files! “There Is No Good Reason You Should Have to Be a Citizen to Vote”(NYT)


I really didn’t plan this. I certainly didn’t plan on having to shackle my arms to prevent myself from expressing the appropriate sentiments after encountering not one but two examples of how ethical ignorance is apparently reaching a new and dangerous high in the United States of America. But my print version of the New York Times contained an op-ed that really “argued” for the proposition above, and the New York Times, allegedly a responsible newspaper, actually felt that such an uninformed, civically illiterate, stupid opinion was worthy of publication.

We are told that the author, Atossa Abrahamian is a journalist “who has written extensively about citizenship,” evidently without understanding what citizenship is. We also are told, “This essay is part of a series exploring bold ideas to revitalize and renew the American experiment.” Bold! You know, like “Let’s have a monetary system based on cheese!” Or “Let’s select members of Congress by having Beer Pong competitions!”

Note that I still haven’t made any substantive statements rebutting this garbage or explaining why it is the intellectual equivalent of toxic waste. I don’t need to; first, I can count on my almost exclusively intelligent, ethical and erudite readers to do it, and moreover,such sentences as this are res ipsa loquitur…they speak for themselves:

“The strongest case for noncitizen voting today is representation: The more voters show up to the polls, the more accurately elections reflect peoples’ desires”

Yes, that’s the strongest case.

You take it from here.

11 thoughts on “And Yet Another Entry From The Res Ipsa Loquitur Files! “There Is No Good Reason You Should Have to Be a Citizen to Vote”(NYT)

  1. The woman says citizenship from where she is is a “piece of cake.” I say fine, finish up, take the oath, and become a citizen. Then you can vote the straight Democratic ticket the rest of your life. However, I, a conservative US citizen by birth who probably has a very different view on things than you, and than anyone else who was born somewhere else, shouldn’t see my vote diluted by some imported Central American who worships the Democratic Party, some clueless European who wonders why American healthcare won’t get with the program and go single-payer, or some Asian who raises an eyebrow at individual rights being paramount. I welcome anyone who came here because they didn’t like there, but I don’t welcome those who want to turn here into there. If that’s what they want, then I invite them to return there as soon as they are able.

  2. This would be devastating in local elections. You could basically change whole town elections by busing people in that claim to be outside the country.

  3. Although the author is Senior Editor at The Nation, she’s also not a US citizen. Naturally.
    “She holds Swiss, Canadian and Iranian citizenship” (

    At least her self-promoting tweet is (mostly) receiving the responses that it deserves:

  4. One simple statement that counters all her BS;

    It’s our law that only citizens of the United States of America can vote in national elections and an immigrant like Atossa Abrahamian’s selfish opinion means nothing to us and our system as a whole, period, end of discussion on that point.

    If an immigrant doesn’t choose to invest themselves in the USA enough to actually become an citizen so they can vote in our national elections, then tough shit, shut the hell up. If an immigrant doesn’t like our laws, tough shit, shut the hell up. If an immigrant doesn’t like our system of government, tough shit, shut the hell up. If an immigrant doesn’t like our healthcare system, tough shit, shut the hell up. If an immigrant doesn’t like that our individual rights are paramount, tough shit, shut the hell up. Etc, etc, etc.

    Personally I don’t give a rats ass what immigrants, legal or illegal, think of the USA, they chose to come here because the USA is exactly what it is and I’ll be damned if I’m going to sit by and allow them to bring the bull shit they left behind with them and fuck up the USA in the process. If these complaining immigrants don’t like our system and think the system they left is somehow “better” than ours then they can take the next slow boat back to where ever the hell it is they came from. It’s not our responsibility to change our system to meet their selfish needs whatever the fuck those needs are. They came here, either they stay and assimilate into our culture AS IS (a big plus would be to become a citizen of the USA) or they can shut the hell up and leave.

    P.S. There are some municipalities in California that allow non-citizens, even illegal immigrants to vote in their municipal elections.

    • Many years ago, a citizen of Germany opined online that everyone should be able to vote in U.S. elections since what happens here affects so many other people outside the country.

      Yes, it was an idiotic suggestion.

  5. I’m going to start hopping over the border and voting in Mexican elections! I’ll make Mexico more diverse! Won’t that be great. And next time I’m in Europe, I’m going to vote in every election I run across. Fair is fair. Everyone in Europe seems to think they get a vote in U.S. presidential elections.

  6. Remember this one?

    Dear President Obama:
    I’m planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.
    We’re planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. Into Mexico, and we’ll need your help to make a few arrangements.
    We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.
    I’m sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I’m on my way over?

    Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:
    1. Free medical care for my entire family.
    2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
    3. Please print all Mexican government forms in English.
    4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.
    5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history.
    6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.
    7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
    8. I will need a local Mexican driver’s license so I can get easy access to government services.
    9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico, but, I don’t plan to purchase car insurance,
    and I probably won’t make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.
    10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to
    leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.
    11. I plan to fly the U.S. Flag from my house top, put U S. Flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
    12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.
    13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never
    say critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.
    14. I want to receive free food stamps.
    15. Naturally, I’ll expect free rent subsidies.
    16. I’ll need Income tax credits so although I don’t pay Mexican Taxes,
    I’ll receive money from the government.
    17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Gov’t pays $4,500 to help me buy a new car.
    18. Oh yes, I almost forgot, please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I’ll get
    a monthly income in retirement.
    I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who walk over to the U..S. From Mexico. I am sure that President Calderon won’t mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely. Thank you so much for your kind help. You’re the man!!!

  7. Prof. Seth Barrett Tillman sent the following letter to the The New York Times:

    RE: Atossa Araxia Abrahamian, There Is No Good Reason You Should Have to Be a Citizen to Vote, The New York Times (July 28, 2021).

    Ms Abrahamian tells us that she “lived in New York since 2004, but haven’t once had a chance to cast a ballot here.” That is not quite true is it? Legal residents can apply for U.S. citizenship after residing in the U.S. for as little as 5 years—after which the federal government will process your application. It is now 2021. So Ms Abrahamian has had roughly 12 years to apply for U.S. citizenship and then, having secured it, to vote in U.S. elections. If she has chosen not to apply for citizenship, or not to apply in a timely manner, then it makes no sense for her to claim that she has not had “a chance” to vote. She has had that chance: a substantial one.

    Legal residents are just that. They get to reside in the United States. No one will ask them or make them share the common fate of other Americans. No one in a position of authority in the U.S. government will ask a legal resident to stay in the U.S., and no one in a position of authority will ask a legal resident to leave. Ms Abrahamian is such legal resident, and as such, she can always leave and return to her former Swiss home. Once in Switzerland, the United States government will have no claim to tax her future income, and it cannot prosecute her for crimes she may commit abroad, and it cannot dragoon her to return to the United States to serve in its armed forces. It is altogether different for U.S. citizens, like me, living abroad. As a U.S. citizen, the U.S. government can tax my income earned abroad, prosecute me for crimes committed abroad, and draft me into its armed forces. And, that is why an American citizen, like me, although living abroad, gets to vote in U.S. elections, and that is why Ms Abrahamian does not, notwithstanding her being legally resident in the United States.

    If you want the right to vote, you should have to commit to sharing our polity’s common fate. And if you choose not to take on American citizenship and to share that fate, then you ought not complain that you are excluded from the democratic process that will in large part determine that common fate.

    Seth Barrett Tillman, Lecturer, Maynooth University Department of Law

  8. Given the hysterical Russia, Russia, Russia! wailing I was forced to listen to for four years, I would have thought even leftists would have realized letting non-citizens vote was a nonsensical idea. Apparently I was wrong. Why don’t we just scrap voting altogether, and allow China, North Korea, Iran, and Russia to select our leaders outright. They could form a committee and decide on our subjugation much faster and with less subterfuge that way.

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