Once Again, I Have To Defend Donald Trump…

Trump’s unique ability to make smart people stupid and to inspire normally rational individuals to blind, unreasoning hate may be unmatched in American history. I had a post I was looking forward to finishing, and then a Facebook post by a Trump-estranged friend of long-standing interfered. Now I have to, once again, defend Donald Trump.

My freind is an Andrew Sullivan conservative with all that implies, and he loathes Trump, probably because of too much exposure to others in his peer group who regard Trump Derangement as a badge of honor. Today he posted on Facebook,

Here’s what Trump said about the Brittany Griner deal: “Why wasn’t former Marine Paul Whelan included in this totally one-sided transaction? He would have been let out for the asking.”

Then he pointed to a tweet in response by Whelan’s brother, David:

Naturally my Trump-Deranged friend received the predicable plaudits for his second hand critique, but the Russian prisoner’s (or, as I would call him, hostage) brother was wrong and unfair, both of which are acceptable if the victim is Trump.

Reportedly Russia wanted to trade Whelan for Victor Bout, the same murderous arms dealer Biden traded for the diplomatically useless Brittany Griner and Trump, while President, rejected the offer, Doing so was a completely defensible position: we shouldn’t negotiate with rogue states holding hostages.  Trump didn’t say that he would have traded for Whelan, and whether he “cares” is irrelevant. What a President is sworn to care about is the national interest. Trump’s decision was that it was not in that interest to  release an infamous arms dealer in exchange for anyone, thus sending a message that nations like Russian can profit by concocting bogus charges against innocent foreigners and then trade them  for terrorists. Nor would he, unlike Biden, cynically pander to WNBA fans and favored Democratic Party voting blocs while putting innocent foreign citizens at risk. Still, Trump has a valid basis for saying that if Biden had chosen Whalen for the trade rather than pandering to Democratic favored groups, he could have had him “for the asking.”

It’s fine to bash Trump, but there are plenty of opportunities to do it legitimately. When he is involved, too many normally fair and intelligent people twist words and logic to somehow find a way to condemn him even when his conduct or words are reasonable. This was a throbbing example….another one.

28 thoughts on “Once Again, I Have To Defend Donald Trump…

  1. I will not criticize Biden for getting Griner out but not Whelan, because I have no knowledge of the negotiations or Russia’s position on the matter. While Trump may have been briefed on negotiations concerning Whelan (assuming he paid attention), he can have no knowledge of how the Russian position may have changed since the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Griner’s detention. I therefore find his criticism unfair for the same reason David Whelan’s tweet is unfair: both conflate inaction with indifference, based on ignorance of the negotiations.

    • Initial reports from NBC stated Biden was given a choice either Whelan or Griner. After considerable flak about trading Griner for about the WH apparently told NBC that Whelan was never on the table. Sorry, but I don’t believe the White House when they are forced to defend an action. Remember how Biden said those border agents “would pay” when video showed the agents on horseback behaving appropriately. Majorkis knew the agents were in the right and admitted it in an email but publicly he threw the agents under the bus.
      The idea that Trump was unaware of the options suggests that the issue never came up during his administration. Whelan was offered for Bout in 2018. Trump turned it down.

      • I don’t blame you at all for not trusting what the Biden Administration tells you. Examples abound that illustrate their lack of trustworthiness. But we don’t know that the option of freeing Whelan was still on the table. Therefore when Trump or anyone else criticizes the Biden administration for not making that moral choice, it’s based on speculation as to what moral choices were available.

    • DaveL,
      Personally I think you are just plain wrong.

      I don’t give a damn about the Russian position in the negotiations, the point is that President Trump refused to trade and therefore release the known war mongering supporter of world terrorism back into the world where President Biden disregarded that same moral choice. President Biden chose what he considered a perceived politically beneficial move to virtue signal the woke crowd in the USA over the safety of United States interests abroad and the the safety of the world.

      I wrote the following a few days ago…

      What is it with 21st century progressive Democrats?

      It seems to me that they have a really bad tendency to choose popularity of some sort over morality way too often. They’re choosing the popularity of consequence free sex and abortion over the basic human right to life, choosing to release a piece of shit war monger into the world to release a popular LGBT black female sports player, choosing the popular but immoral suppression of free speech they don’t like over moral and truthful debate, choosing the popular hate of police over the basic safety of citizens, choosing the growing popularity of ignoring crimes over punishing real criminals, choosing to use pure innuendo filled and false propaganda instead of actual truth, etc., etc. The same thing can be said of progressives choosing hive-mindedness over morality.

      It seems to me that progressives have stuffed morality down in an abyss of being considered a quaint anecdote of history, never again to be utilized by them.

      The Democratic Party appears to be on the verge of, or already past the threshold of, complete morally bankruptcy.

      Furthermore…

      I have been saying for a while that “The political left has shown its pattern of propaganda lies within their narratives so many times since 2016 that it’s beyond me why anyone would blindly accept any narrative that the political left and their lapdog media actively push?”

      I don’t believe the propaganda narrative coming out of the White House about this trade.

      • President Trump refused to trade and therefore release the known war mongering supporter of world terrorism back into the world where President Biden disregarded that same moral choice.

        But we don’t know that. We don’t know Biden had the same moral choice available.

        • DaveL wrote, “But we don’t know that. We don’t know Biden had the same moral choice available.”

          That’s 64. Yoo’s Rationalization or “It isn’t what it is” delivered straight up without a twist.

          Yes DaveL, we know that for sure. Biden had a moral choice to either release the known war mongering supporter of world terrorism back into the world or not. That, DaveL, is a moral choice.

            • DaveL wrote, “How do you know the state of prisoner swap negotiations within the State Department when Biden took office?”

              It’s really, really clear that you’re not thinking critically about this. It’s completely irrelevant what the state of prisoner swap negotiations within the State Department was when Biden took office were, the choice was Biden’s to make now. You are trying to rationalize this and failing.

              What I wrote is self-evident, to deny it in any way is illogical.

              • It’s completely irrelevant what the state of prisoner swap negotiations within the State Department was when Biden took office were, the choice was Biden’s to make now.

                Fine, how do you know the status of State Department prisoner swap negotiations now? How do you know Biden had the option of exchanging Bout for Whelan?

                You don’t. You’re assuming. I’m thinking through this just fine, you’re the one making unwarranted assumptions that you apparently can’t see, even when they’re held up in front of your face.

                • DaveL wrote…

                  Fine, how do you know the status of State Department prisoner swap negotiations now? How do you know Biden had the option of exchanging Bout for Whelan?

                  You don’t. You’re assuming. I’m thinking through this just fine, you’re the one making unwarranted assumptions that you apparently can’t see, even when they’re held up in front of your face.

                  DaveL, Please read through this conversation again thoroughly and pay particular attention to what I’m saying is the moral choice. I really don’t give a hoot who the prisoner exchange was to obtain, the moral choice was regarding whether to release Viktor Anatolyevich Bout, who is a known war mongering supporter of world terrorism.

                  • No, that’s not the moral choice. That’s some weird version of the moral choice in question, stripped down by half. You don’t walk into an ethics discussion about the Trolley Problem and start berating people that they’re not talking about YOUR version, which completely ignores the people on the trolley’s original track.

                    • DaveL wrote, “No, that’s not the moral choice. That’s some weird version of the moral choice in question, stripped down by half. You don’t walk into an ethics discussion about the Trolley Problem and start berating people that they’re not talking about YOUR version, which completely ignores the people on the trolley’s original track.”

                      After that nonsense, this conversation is over.

                    • Maybe I can help. It was wrong to release Bout. Whatever we got in exchange is immaterial. It was wrong to release Bout. That we gave him up as a ransom payment for the release of anyone is wrong. Releasing Bout was on par with releasing Osama bin Laden (had he survived his capture).

        • We absolutely know he had the option to not make any deal at all. That is the choice he could have made, regardless of who he could have gotten for the release. We don’t know who he was offered for certain, but we know who he released, and that the status quo is ALWAYS an option.

  2. Like it or not, Trump was the most capable and accomplished president in a generation. Yes, he’s blustery and blunt to a fault, and doesn’t allow undue criticisms to go unchallenged. Yes, he’s not beneath picking up a piece of fried chicken with his hands, and he’s not beneath going to the ballpark and eating hot dogs. All of which was regularly criticized by the media and the left.

    I would suggest 90% of the disdain people hold for Trump is the result of several years of Trump bashing emanating from the media, people have literally been conditioned to hate Trump.

    I have a relative that absolutely despises Trump, but when asked, he doesn’t really know why. As justification he generally descends into the usual anti Trump lies spread over the years, such as; Trump told people to inject bleach, and still believes in Russian collusion. He prefers instead to believe biden’s lies that he inherited an economy in shambles.

    I realize it’s difficult for many to see this logically, the years long incessant anti Trump fervor has imbued that toxicity to unprecedented levels. Frankly, I’m in awe of the inner strength of the man to have weathered this all these years and still wants to run for office.

    All Trump needs to do to end this is to announce he’s stepping away from politics and returning to private life, you’d see overnight how quickly the media ends their anti Trump bashing, which should expose their true motives

    • Ed wrote, “I would suggest 90% of the disdain people hold for Trump is the result of several years of Trump bashing emanating from the media, people have literally been conditioned to hate Trump.”

      In my opinion, the correct way of describing what happened is “brainwashed by a Pravda like media” to hate Trump and Republicans.

    • I agree, Ed. It’s just plain weird. To which government program do the American taxpayers who’ve lost trillions of dollars of net worth as a result of the Biden administration apply to get their money back?

    • Ed says: “ Yes, he’s not beneath picking up a piece of fried chicken with his hands, and he’s not beneath going to the ballpark and eating hot dogs. All of which was regularly criticized by the media and the left.”

      Can you link to an example of the media criticizing Trump for eating chicken with his hands or eating hot dogs at the ballpark?

      I consumed a lot of anti-Trump media during his presidency, and I don’t remember seeing a single story like this, let alone with regularity.

      “ He prefers instead to believe biden’s lies that he inherited an economy in shambles.”

      I have been told by many conservatives that the anti-Covid measures throughout 2020 were disastrous for the economy. Are you telling me they were wrong?

      • No, they were right. Trump, however had no choice but to follow the (biased, incompetent, dishonest) advice of his CDC “experts.” Trapped, completely. Democrats and the media were already saying he had the blood of hundreds of thousands of deaths on his hands. Nor did he have the expertise himself to credibly defy those “experts,” especially with the news media in full fearmongering mode.

        • I wasn’t asking about Trump’s responsibility for the economy, I was asking about Ed’s bizarre statement that the economy was not in shambles when Biden took over.

          Trump gets credit for me for fast-tracking the vaccine. It’s his greatest accomplishment. Unfortunately, his most devout conspiracy theorist followers won’t even take the vaccine now, in part because Trump fed their conspiracy theorist beliefs for years and ran his whole presidency in opposition to expert advice and responsible behavior. This includes his refusal to mask and stop holding superspreader rallies, one of which killed Herman Cain.

          • Sorry, I misunderstood. Yes, the economy was in the dumpster when Biden took over. Yes, Biden was being deceitful to imply that Trump had any control over the crash, which was overwhelmingly due to policies pushed by Democrats and Democratic constituencies, like the teachers unions.

          • Addendum: We now know that masks, especially the cloth masks worn by politicians, did little of no good in slowing the pandemic. I salute Trump for trying to counter the deliberate pandemic hysteria cynically exploited by the news media and the Left. We know the “expert” advice given Trump was, by turns, wrong, dishonest, exaggerated, manipulative, and politically motivated. As for Cain, nobody knows where he got Wuhan. he was hospitalized nearly two weeks after the rally he attended after symptoms of the virus appeared , so stating that the rally killed him is simply speculation.

            Don’t play those games here, please.

            • “We” do not know that masks do not work. That statement, plus your use of the term “Wuhan,” is proof that you are a right-biased hack who is defending Trump not out of principle, but because you have swallowed MAGA propaganda. I gladly take my leave.

              • Rick wrote, ” ‘We’ do not know that masks do not work.”

                Then you are part of the “we” that has not looked at the science making you a science denier.

                Rick wrote, “That statement, plus your use of the term “Wuhan,” is proof that you are a right-biased hack who is defending Trump not out of principle, but because you have swallowed MAGA propaganda.”

                That is pure anti-Trump TDS bias lies and if you took the time to actually read what Jack writes about Trump you would know how damned ignorant you sound.

                Rick wrote, “I gladly take my leave.”

                You were given a reasonable chance at discourse and that’s how you respond. Read the comment policies about your treatment of our host and this kind of public exit. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

              • Bye, Asshole! You were given full opportunity to make legitimate arguments; you couldn’t, and now you through your ignorant hissy fit and leave. For the record, I have used Wuhan since the beginning, since that’s where the pandemic came from; that cloth and paper masks don’t work is a matter of record at this point, and this blog has about 500 posts that prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that this forum has been critical of Trump when he deserved it, and defended him when he has been unfairly maligned. You had proven yourself lacking in either the intellect of ethical integrity to interact here before you self-banned…end self-banning is forever. Good work!

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