On The Biden Administration’s Proposed Gas Stove Ban

If this doesn’t make a lot of Americans understand the conservative agenda items seeking smaller government, less powerful government agencies and reduced federal regulation, nothing will.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission is opening a period of public comments on the “dangers of gas stoves.” An estimated 40% of the public uses gas stoves. Most restaurants use gas stoves; some foreign cuisines, like Chinese varieties, depend on them. Nobody has complained noticeably about gas stoves being deadly in the 200 years they have been in use. Never mind: CPCP commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. told Bloomberg News, “This is a hidden hazard. Any option is on the table. Products that can’t be made safe can be banned.”

How are gas stoves “unsafe”? The EPA and WHO say they “emit pollutants including nitrogen dioxide, carbon monoxide and fine particulate matter” above levels deemed acceptable. The sudden rush to ban the stoves appears to have been triggered by (or was waiting around hoping to find such a claim as) a single study published in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health. Of course, the Climate Nazis have been agitating about gas stoves on the sidelines for decades, which, they say, “jump-starts childhood asthma, increases the risk of respiratory problems, and emits planet-warming gasses.” Naturally, then, the mainstream media can be expected to cheer-lead the latest government effort to use the environment as an excuse to control American lives and choices just a bit more, because they know best. The Washington Post’s climate change propagandist gave her seal of approval yesterday.

Don’t worry about the extra costs of getting those electric ovens, she assures us. After all,

…the Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark climate bill passed last year, includes cash to help low- and moderate-income households move away from their gas stoves. Starting later this year, millions of Americans could get up to $840 off the cost of an electric or induction stove.

Inflation reduction! Landmark! Hand-outs for low- and moderate-income households, as long as they spend the money on what they’re told to! National debt? What’s that? Nah, the mainstream media isn’t pimping for the Democrats! Why would anyone think that?

I don’t use a gas stove, so the loss of one wouldn’t affect me one bit. But the motives, process, and blatant regulatory over-reach this proposal represents is one more piece of evidence, as if more was needed, what a threat to basic liberty and qualify of life the current iron-boot-clad Democratic regime poses to the nation. It seems obvious that this is one more attack on fossil fuels—gas stoves use natural gas—and like most of the other attacks, based on weak science and poor reasoning. Electric stoves require fossil fuels too, after all.

When I went to work for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Washington, D.C., I discovered that fighting government agency regulations was the primary mission of the association at the time. I has a college and law school degree and was an American government major. I had been in the work force for seven years. Yet I knew nothing about the issue, how regulatory agencies work, their ever-expanding power, their ridiculous redundancy and the manner in which they effectively bypass the separation of powers, checks and balances, due process and the restraints on government power mandated by the Constitution. Working at the Chamber was quite an education, one that my standard education in public schools and private institutions completely failed to provide.

I strongly suspect that most of the American public is at least as ignorant as I was of the means by which a government seeks to constrain personal liberties based on flimsy evidence assessed by ideologues and low level career bureaucrats on a partisan mission. They better figure it out quickly.

22 thoughts on “On The Biden Administration’s Proposed Gas Stove Ban

  1. I always used electric stoves and tended to like them.

    Then, we moved to a place that has a gas stove and I have managed to survive. I might even like it more than electric.

    However, when it was time to switch out the gas stove, we decided to look at induction ovens. I had tried one and was interested in them.

    It would costs approximately $5,000.00 to run the proper wires across and through our house to put in an induction oven.

    Needless to say, I am very satisfied with my new gas stove.

    -Jut

    • Gas stove and electric oven. Winning combination! But of course, wiring/piping for that is very expensive if you’re not already building/remodeling.

      • Our first house was touted as “All Electric”. As part of the contract, we had the furnace, water heater, oven, and cooktop all replaced with gas. Later realized electric ovens were probably more suitable, we changed that, but it wasn’t much of a problem since the 220 wiring was already there from the original installation. Homes since have all had that setup. (Oddly, that first house had two fireplaces with gas “log lighters” that , we discovered later, had no actual connections to gas lines. Had to remedy that.)

  2. Well, that didn’t take too long: U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission chairman Alexander D. Hoehn-Saric issued a statement Wednesday assuring the public that his agency has no intention of banning gas stoves after a commission official drew the ire of the cooking public by suggesting the appliances might be banned in the near future due to the alleged health threat they pose to Americans.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/consumer-safety-commission-walks-back-gas-stove-threat-amid-backlash/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=30219170

    • The amusing part is that, in the last 24 hours, all the usual punditry suspects on the left have become instant experts in the health hazards of gas stoves, all but proclaiming them to be the greatest health threat in the nation. Now that this dumb idea has been shitcanned with a speed seldom found in government, they’ll need to walk back their brand-new alarmism without even getting a chance to really stretch their legs with it. I mean, they’ll just pivot on a dime and never discuss it again, revealing how disingenuous their concern always was, but these kinds of incidents are useful for highlighting how the media propagandists operate.

  3. Schadenfreude Alert

    This is how to deal with ridiculous and mindless federal regulations:

    New label law has unintended effect: Sesame in more foods
    A new federal law requiring that sesame be listed as an allergen on food labels is having unintended consequences — increasing the number of products with the ingredient.

    Food industry experts said the requirements are so stringent that many manufacturers, especially bakers, find it simpler and less expensive to add sesame to a product — and to label it — than to try to keep it away from other foods or equipment with sesame.

    As a result, several companies — including national restaurant chains like Olive Garden, Wendy’s and Chick-fil-A, as well as bread makers that stock grocery shelves and serve schools — are adding sesame to products that didn’t have it before. While the practice is legal, consumers and advocates say it violates the spirit of the law aimed at making foods safer for people with allergies.

    “It was really exciting as a policy advocate and a mom to get these labels,” said Naomi Seiler, a consultant with the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America whose 9-year-old daughter, Zoe, is allergic to sesame. “Instead, companies are intentionally adding the allergen to food.”…

    https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/new-label-law-has-unintended-effect-sesame-in-more-foods/article_9e47f714-a25a-5708-8a1c-f39dcbc6ecd7.html

    • “It was really exciting as a policy advocate and a mom to get these labels,” said Naomi Seiler, a consultant with the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America whose 9-year-old daughter, Zoe, is allergic to sesame. “Instead, companies are intentionally adding the allergen to food.”

      My family is dealing with this exact issue right now for one of my very young granddaughters. It really is maddening how many products that have added sesame to the label that didn’t have it before and likely still doesn’t knowingly contain sesame but they do it simply because they don’t want to or can’t do the extra steps necessary to actually prevent the possibility of any sesame cross contamination in their product(s). We’re hoping she grows out of the allergy but until then they have to keep an Epi Pen handy all the time.

      I don’t know of any regulations that hasn’t had some kind of unintended consequence.

    • I heard of this early on and tracked when the different breads we consume (hot dog buns, burger buns, mulitgrain for sandwiches, etc.) added sesame flour to the list of ingredients. Even funnier, it’s the last ingredient in the list, so they are probably adding a teaspoon or so per loaf just to meet the regulation.

    • The thing that struck me about this is that it seems unnecessary to ADD sesame to something. Why could they not simply say, as I have seen in other warnings: “This product was made in a facility that also processes sesame”? I have seen such a warning for tree nuts. Why wouldn’t that be sufficient here?

      -Jut

  4. Strictly gas stoves here…and our new home uses propane. My wife will NOT use an electric stove…neither will I. It’s a matter of preference, but I would never force fans of electric to switch, nor would I ever suggest an idea as preposterous as “get the government to pay for it.”

    The rot is deep…and it stinks.

    Hopefully this new Congress gets its act together and starts generating legislation that is easily read and digested, and not laden with gobs of this hidden waste…hopefully…

  5. A quick and dirty look for stats indicates about 40 residential deaths per year in the US from fires caused by gas leaks, and about 200 from accidental electrocution. Carbon monoxide deaths seem harder to ferret out on specifics. The gross numbers are heavily weighted by sex (3:1 male/female), indicating a likely heavy workplace component. It doesn’t look like any overall safety benefit can be readily claimed. I think it could easily be assumed that brownouts and grid failures (and related deaths) would increase.

    If they go after stoves, they’ll have to go after furnaces, water heaters, clothes dryers, fireplaces, emergency generators, etc. How often does your electricity go out from weather interruptions? Our gas supply has never gone out.

    Keep telling us how the American conservatives are totalitarian threats to democracy, lefties.

    • 100% agree, Willem. I saw this and then coincidentally saw an article about a gas stove recall and another from a ‘journalist’ claiming he set up air quality sensors in his house that had a gas stove and was shocked! SHOCKED! at the results. I believe they co-ordinate with media outlets to float these ideas. I don’t believe this idea is dead.

      • They almost certainly do coordinate and are given the right talking points to reference as well. I’m seeing articles now all over the place about how Biden’s Classified Document handles is DIFFERENT from Trump’s. They all say the same thing…thus the followers repeat the same things on social media.

        It’s like the Borg saying, “We have analyzed your defensive capabilities and determined that you are unable to withstand us. If you try to defend yourselves, you will be destroyed.” In other words, don’t confuse them with facts.

  6. I have nothing but snark to say and my level of contempt for the CPSC has gone off the charts. This was the body that killed the Vacuform toy I had as a child because someone burned themselves on the heating element. Now they want to push another product that has a much higher risk of burns even after it is turned off .

  7. It’s 100% about being able to tell you what to do on the most trivial of things.

    1) This isn’t the government the Founders envisioned. This isn’t the government the soldiers of the Civil War or World War II were fighting to bequeath to their descendants.

    2) However – we as a society 100% will always condemn conduct X or product Y when two conditions are met – we are reasonably certain the conduct or product *IS* more antithetical to our values than it is not AND the necessary steps to ban the conduct or product do not create greater burdens to our values than leaving it alone. The problem here is how “reasonably certain” are we of the harm of what ever is being questioned, or of the benign nature of the steps necessary to ban whatever it is.

    The discussion arises especially in a technocracy like our own. “Experts” can weigh in with a considerable amount of data on whatever their particular specialty is – almost convincing that they are at a point of being *SURE* they have a thorough and final understanding of something. And we want that security – other ethical topics – like murder, theft, vandalism, free speech – are much more crystal clear than gas stoves.

    But we want a sure answer on these things – and if we can get a sure answer and that answer is, yes, gas stoves are dangerous – they WHY WOULDN’T we ban them?

    But again – that’s the problem – our technocrats and ‘experts’ blindly charge forward with scant little certainty though they’ve convinced themselves otherwise. And I think they enjoy power and are drunk with it and often don’t care to be certain.

  8. I’m clinging to my gas stove and gas powered vehicles with grasping claws. Mostly due to my cynical outlook on the unreliability of the future green energy power grid.
    California is exhibit A of our future electric reliability. What is it you always say? “the thing speaks for itself”
    It doesn’t take a lot of predictive ability to see adding electric cars and other electric devices to the grid while shifting the infrastructure to unreliable sources of energy probably will contain undesirable consequences. Translation: I don’t trust our power grid to supply me with reliable power moving forward. It’s not out of reason to expect hiccups and major failures everywhere. In fact, I will be surprised if there isn’t.

  9. … Nobody has complained noticeably about gas stoves being deadly in the 200 years they have been in use…

    How can you say that? In their early days, just as with locomotives at about the same time in the early nineteenth century, they had many disasters, both poisonings and explosions. In Britain at least, that did indeed lead to public demands for action about each of those new technologies, with questions being asked in parliament and all. That led to requirements for licensed plumbers and gasfitters to do the gas work, which made it a solved problem (some countries learned from that and headed off their own disasters). For what it’s worth, there remained a live folk memory of all this for at least a century, judging by its appearance as a trope in stories (like one by H.G.Wells) and as a cover story that called the first V2 strikes gas explosions.

    What is happening in this area in the U.S.A. today appears to be a case of “those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it” – directly on the part of the would be regulators, and indirectly but no less materially on your part, by thinking as you do that there is no problem rather than a real one needing constant vigilance to avoid repeating an evil history, even though it requires no new steps at all.

    … gas stoves use natural gas …

    Mostly, these days. But that is not an essential part of their nature. You could even run them off renewable organic feed stocks, if it were worth it. You’re over-simplifying.

    … Electric stoves require fossil fuels too, after all…

    Wrong. They can also run off renewable sources of electricity (if there are any), off hydroelectricity, off nuclear reactors, and off a few other minor things. You’re over-simplifying again.

  10. Appliances that use natural and propane gas proliferates to the extent that eliminating them in favor of electric appliances will cost more money than currently exists in this country. This administration’s obvious solution would be another multi trillion dollar spending bill that would go directly to the national debt because, after all, that debt is just a number that no one expects anybody to take seriously. This proposed ban was initiated by the environmental wackos that wants to eliminate all the uses for natural gas is completely nonsensical and is not going to happen.
    If it does: There will be no more backyard barbecues, no more grilled steaks, no more tailgating, and no more pizza ovens. The people will never stand for that.
    Then there’s that question of: Where’s all that enormous additional electric capacity going to come from? Ask one of those environmental wackos and he’ll say: We’ll just add a couple more windmills here and a few solar cells there.

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