Wait—Facts Are “Dangerous” Now? I Thought They Just Didn’t Matter…

What possible justification could there be for Democrats to oppose releasing all of the footage of the January 6 riot for public viewing?

Last week, Speaker McCarthy said he will make public the thousands of hours of footage from January 6, 2021 riot at the Capitol as the “public should see what happened” that day, rather than rely on the report from the rigged and partisan House Select Committee that (sort of )investigated the event. Democrats don’t want the stuff released. Why?

Appearing o MSNBC, where outageous statements are treated as pearls, former Democrat rep Elaine Luria, now just another MSNBC Democratic Party mouthpiece, argued,

If you release all of the security tapes at the Capitol… every bit of information that would lay out a road map for someone who wants to come try to do something like this again, that is really dangerous for the future security of the Capitol… A large portion of the tapes have been released in different contexts.

Oh, well then..wait, what? A complete failure of a mob action might provide guidance to “someone ” who wants to do the same thing because it was such a roaring triumph? 

I thought public information and transparency were always  good things in a democracy. Why wouldn’t Democrats want the public to see all the horrors of what they have compared to the Civil War, Pearl Harbor and 9-11? Most of the approximately 14,000 hours of footage from that day has never been reviewed by the public or the media. Full transparency doesn’t cause conspiracy theories; it defeats them. It’s like the JFK assassination files and UFOs.

Release it all.

16 thoughts on “Wait—Facts Are “Dangerous” Now? I Thought They Just Didn’t Matter…

  1. Can’t wait to see the secret footage, where Nancy Pelosi is yelling over the phone to the head of her Capital Security Police Detail… “No, I’m telling you to tell your men to stand down and let the mob in, but remember, ‘you didn’t hear it from me’.”

  2. Oh, well then..wait, what? A complete failure of a mob action might provide guidance to “someone ” who wants to do the same thing because it was such a roaring triumph? 

    I thought public information and transparency were always good things in a democracy. Why wouldn’t Democrats want the public to see all the horrors of what they have compared to the Civil War, Pearl Harbor and 9-11? Most of the approximately 14,000 hours of footage from that day has never been reviewed by the public or the media. Full transparency doesn’t cause conspiracy theories; it defeats them. It’s like the JFK assassination files and UFOs.

    What cave have you been living in? Have you bought into the very fallacies that underpin the prevailing propaganda? I will go into some detail for your better and greater edification:-

    – A post mortem of what went wrong can teach people how to avoid the same mistakes if they want to try again, because they do not want to do the same thing. (Here, you are getting into the same territory of error that I recently referred to elsewhere – substituting, redefining, and changing the subject to one amenable to dismissal.) In 1940, the German advance did not repeat the advance of 1914.

    – Public information and transparency are only ever good things in a democracy when things are free and clear for them. But Britain certainly stopped publishing shipping information in 1939, all the same. When it’s only historical information, those issues don’t apply (more precisely, it’s historical information only when they don’t apply) – so your counter-examples are of no force (more switching to something that can be dismissed).

    – And where on earth did you get the idea that “Full transparency doesn’t cause conspiracy theories; it defeats them”? I can imagine several possible reactions to that, e.g. “that’s what they want you to think” (i.e., they’re only admitting any of this to lull you into a false sense of security about what they are about to do), “if that’s what they’re willing to admit, just think what they must still be hiding” (i.e., suspecting a limited hang out rather than genuinely full transparency), and so on. For a concrete example, consider that to this day centuries old conspiracy theories about Britain hold sway in parts of North America, despite complete openness being adopted almost as soon as the paranoia was perceived – even to the point of harming operational security – an openness that continued even when it was only of historical interest and there could be no ulterior purpose to be served.

    • If you have seen even five minutes of the Capitol rioting, you should know how inapplicable your argument is. It was a bunch of morons, armed with bear spray and sticks, with no clear objective, just being chaotic. Who needs to see a film of such chaos to figure out what would work better? Let’s see: 1) A lot more people 2) a plan 3) coordination 4) actual weapons 5) a realistic objective and 6) someplace that isn’t the Capitol. You can nitpick all you want, but her claim was simply idiotic and intellectually dishonest. Your application of it at least isn’t intellectually dishonest, just wildly out of place.

    • P.M.Lawrence wrote, “What cave have you been living in?”

      That’s an unworthy and an uncalled for personal insult directed at our host.

      You should take the time to offer a sincere apology to your host.

      P.M.Lawrence wrote, “Have you bought into the very fallacies that underpin the prevailing propaganda?” and then you wrote, “A post mortem of what went wrong can teach people how to avoid the same mistakes if they want to try again, because they do not want to do the same thing.”

      Let me be perfectly clear P.M.Lawrence, it appears from those two statements that you have likely swallowed as fact the propaganda narratives that the political left has been pushing even though the political left has been blazing a trail of propaganda lies that’s left a wake of scorched earth politics since 2016. I’m not swallowing the political left’s boy who cried wolf narratives because I’m not one of their brainwashed naive sheeple.

      By the way P.M.Lawrence, this is not Germany or Britain, this is the United States of America and we choose to do things differently because that’s the way We the People want it. We the People want all the information so we can make up our own minds based on all the information not just the information that’s been spoon fed to the public by a biased political propaganda machine.

      We the People of the United States of America strive to be better than what the following photo represents…

  3. As I have said until I’m blue in the face, “The political left has shown its pattern of propaganda lies within their narratives so many times since 2016 that it’s beyond me why anyone would blindly accept any narrative that the political left and their lapdog media actively push?”

    Knowing the verifiable pattern of propaganda lies in the political left’s narratives; if they are trying to keep the videos from the public then there is a reason that they want it secret and the parrern pf p[ropaganda lies has shown us that their reasons are that it is will expose their narrative as been false all along, what are the other facts that they are intentionally hiding behind their Pravda veil.

    Of course they are being completely transparent this time with this narrative; hell no, there’s not a chance in hell that I’m gonna buy this narrative either.

    The boy who cried wolf.
    Yes, release all the video footage.

  4. ARRRRRGH!!! What the Heck! The above comment posted and I did nothing to tell it to post yet. I hadn’t finished, here is the finished comment.
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    As I have said until I’m blue in the face, “The political left has shown its pattern of propaganda lies within their narratives so many times since 2016 that it’s beyond me why anyone would blindly accept any narrative that the political left and their lapdog media actively push?”

    Knowing the verifiable pattern of propaganda lies in the political left’s narratives, if they are trying to keep the videos from the public then there is a reason that they want it secret and the pattern of propaganda lies in the past has shown us that their reasons are that it’s quite likely that releasing the video will expose that their narrative as been false or an absurd extrapolation of the truth all along.

    Of course they are being completely transparent this time with this narrative; hell no, there’s not a chance in hell that I’m gonna buy this narrative either. Bull shit! The boy who cried wolf.

    Fuck their Pravda veil of secrecy, release all the video footage.

  5. I think that citing security concerns passes the smell test but does not hold up well under scrutiny.

    I imagine that the layout of the Capitol building is easy to find and is publicly available. Releasing the footage would hardly assist in the planning or execution of future plans.

    However, I also imagine (I don’t know) that there are parts of the Capitol that are not open to the public. Footage of such areas MAY reveal information useful to someone with ill intent and COULD compromise security.

    If that is the case, that sort of justification should be specifically articulated.

    -Jut

    • You’re talking about the equivalent to redacting a few sentences in documents with a black magic marker which I have no problem doing.

      Think about the totality of this…

      “Approximately 14,000 hours of footage from that day has never been reviewed by the public or the media”, that’s 14,000 hours of video that covers a roughly 9 hour event (9am-6pm). Do you realize how much video that is, that’s the equivalent of 583 days of video which is over a year and a half of video if it was watched end-to-end. The chances that even a couple of percentage points of all that video are actually showing things that maybe shouldn’t be shown because it might conceivably compromise some specific point of security in the US Capitol building are low especially for a facility like that where part of securing it must be the ability to change up security, improvise, adapt and overcome to thwart those that might try to compromise security.

      I simply don’t believe this narrative that releasing the majority or all of the 14,000 hours of video could be dangerous, they’re trying to hide their current narrative behind a new narrative and I’m not buying it, not for one damn second.

      • Steve, look at your math.

        14,000 hours of a 9 hour event.

        That could translate to approximately 1,556 cameras in the Capitol.

        Some of those are in areas off limits to the public (can we agree on that supposition).

        A study of the footage could reveal movements and timing of security details, locations of security in private areas, locations of the offices of specific congress people (I don’t know if the location of offices inside the building is public) AND information about areas that were likely unrelated to the riot (like where security movements where valuable artifacts are kept. That footage could be valuable for completely different reasons. (Seriously, have you never seen Ocean’s 11? National Treasure?)

        And, having reviewed countless body cam and dash cam videos, there are likely hundreds or thousands of hours of footage of an empty janitor closet, vacant hallways, and the cameras Ted Kennedy placed in the Women’s restrooms.

        At any rate, I think a case could be made for withholding some of the footage.

        (Somewhat related point: I once represented someone accused of possession of child pornography. Contraband images were downloaded through his internet service provider. His house was raided, cops recovered hundreds of videotapes from his closet, and he, a school bus driver, was promptly fired. And, he was innocent; his roommate, however, was guilty as can be. Unfortunately, he probably never recovered his reputation. As for the videotapes, he had recorded hundreds of hours of the Westminster Dog Show. If there is any justice in this world, someone should have been assigned to watch every single second of those tapes.)

        -Jut

        • This isn’t a security concern. They know what’s on the tapes, it goes counter to their narrative, they don’t want it seen. Security is a useful narrative on this because I think that most people, on hearing it, would at least consider it. Sometimes the best fig leaves happen to also be a real thing, or a legitimate concern.

          Your take closely parallels my own on this… My first thought was if there were “black out” portions of the capitol building, they might have an argument about not releasing footage taken from inside those areas, and I’d be willing to entertain that. My second thought was that the floorplan of the capitol building is public record and not redacted at all (a copy is on the Wikipedia page right now). My third thought was that there’s all kinds of footage posted by reps and senators about the hallways around their offices, so any black out zones, if they exist, which I kind of doubt, are probably very obscure.

          So what does that leave me with? The Democrats are spinning, they have too many pigs and not nearly enough lipstick. If they want to assert some kind of security privilege over the documents I’d have some sympathy for a very narrowly tailored set of demands listing areas they want footage of excluded, but first and foremost: My sympathy isn’t dispositive, McCarthy will release them anyway, and second: They won’t, because democrats are all about performative bitching and wouldn’t recognize a principled response if it stormed their offices.

        • Sure. But not to “do something like this again.” Riot and throw a tantrum that couldn’t possibly disrupt the government from the Capitol with a bunch of drunk, amateur yahoos? She was just saying stuff. You have articulated some valid reasons for not showing all the footage, but she’s just stonewalling. Democrats are afraid of the footage showing the mob being let in the doors by security, and showing just how disorganized it was, undercutting the “insurrection” myth.

        • JutGory wrote, “That could translate to approximately 1,556 cameras in the Capitol.”

          Not necessarily. My understanding is that a lot of the captured video was from individuals using their cell phones, like the cell phone that captured the moment that an unarmed protester/rioter was actually shot dead while not posing any physical threat to anyone inside the capitol building.

          Talking about the math, let’s make some general assumptions for effect. Let’s assume that there are 100 cameras in highly sensitive areas inside the capitol building that they would like to keep away from public view. Those 100 cameras shot 900 hours of video between 9am-6pm on January 6th that shouldn’t be view by the public, that’s 6.43% of the total amount of videos shot for those 9 hours. So they black magic marker redact those 900 hours from the public, so be it. I’ll concede that that kind of redaction is reasonably acceptable but that would leave the other 93.57% of video to be released, that’s 13,100 hours of video.

          There is nothing about hiding all this video that’s being transparent, as President Biden has promised, except that it’s completely transparent that they are actively hiding video from the public regardless of whether it’s reasonably justifiable to hide segments of it or not. I don’t trust narratives from the political left one damn bit, they’re confirmed liars.

          P.S. I’m not going to make the mistake of correlating what happens in movies to actual reality.

  6. If this event is going to be used to indict, by association, virtually every Republican voter; an event that will be trotted out at election time by the Democrats to paint the Republicans as threats to Democracy, we need to know if any exculpatory information exists and to what extent others who wished to maximize the political damage to Trump played any role in helping to facilitate the mob’s actions.

    Release the footage.

  7. What we might glean from full disclosure of these recordings is identifying exactly who the inciters are, which was something that committee purposely avoided. Then there were accounts of Capitol police actually unlocking doors and inviting people in. Perhaps we’ll be able to see if that was true or not.
    We should not allow others to claim the need for censorship over spurious security issues.

  8. I imagine they don’t want the full video released because the vast majority of the video doesn’t reflect what is the reported narrative.

    I don’t remember where I saw it, and it’s been years so some recollection might be off. There’s a clip of the Senate floor, filmed presumably by a unseen person’s cell. Two people near the center, one seated on the ground with a water bottle. The horned “shawman” enters, followed by a capital police officer. The officer asks if medical assistance is needed for the man sitting on the floor, he declines and says he’ll be alright. The officer says they shouldn’t really be there and they need to go back to the routunda, they all agree and the officer leaves.

    Such is the typical nature of a violent insurrection, I guess.

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