“You caused this.”
—Clay Travis, the founder of conservative sports site Outkick and co-host of “The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show,” responding to former President Obama’s statement on the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk in which he deplored political violence.
Obama’s insincere and typically carefully-crafted public statement on the assassination of Turning Point USA founder and activist Charlie Kirk was this: “We don’t yet know what motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Michelle and I will be praying for Charlie’s family tonight, especially his wife Erika and their two young children.”
Suuure, Barack.
I am tired of hearing people say, like Barack Obama did, like Hillary Clinton did, oh we condemn this violence. Guess what? You can’t call the President of the United States for 10 years Adolf Hitler, and you can’t say that he’s a fascist dictator, and you can’t say that anyone who voted for Trump or advocated for him like you, me, Riley, and Charlie Kirk are Nazis, and then when someone tries to kill us, you can’t suddenly say, oh we condemn this violence.
You caused it. Look at me right now. You caused this.
When you tell people that someone is Hitler, you are telling crazy people, go kill them. And I am sick of pretending that that is anything other than what they’re doing. That guy in West Palm Beach, what did he say?
He was killing Trump because he believed Trump was Hitler. This is what they do, all right? This left-wing violence, it’s out of control, and Charlie Kirk bore the brunt of that left-wing violence, and guess what?
But for the twist of his head at the last minute, Donald Trump’s head would have been blown off on live television, and that is intentional. They are lighting fires and then claiming, oh what do you know? There’s a fire there.
They’re doing it on purpose. MSNBC…They were live on the air saying, one of their guys said, they put out a PR statement.
He said, well Charlie Kirk was riddled basically with hate, and when you put hate out into the world, this kind of thing happens. Oh, tough break. You get shot and killed even though you’re completely innocent, and all you’re doing is making arguments for the betterment of the country.
Tough break for your young daughter. Tough break for your son, for your lovely wife that will never get the opportunity to see you grow old with them. I am so angry, and I understand everybody out there says, well we have to tamp down the anger.
I’m not willing to do that right now, because I get angrier the more I think about this…They put the wheels of motion for this in order. They did it…
Ethics verdict: true.
Bullets found in the chamber of the rifle used by the assassin included messages scrawled on them like “Hey fascist! Catch!” Nothing about Kirk’s words, activities, stated beliefs or conduct justified labeling him a “fascist.” Where in the world would the shooter get that idea?
Oh. Right.
The Axis is resorting to its favorite tactic, “It isn’t what it is” in its desperation to avoid its unmasking.
They shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. but the captive news media will be trying very, very hard to let them.
Ethics Alarms 
I add Bruce Springteen, Steve Colbert and others to the list insincere gesturers.
Those worthies should’ve just remained silent. Neither are obligated to opine on this subject, and anything they say will ring hollow.
Obama had to say something, but there are no words in any language he could’ve written or spoken that the right would accept. He comes by that skepticism the old-fashioned way — he earned it with actions.
Just remember the motto of the American left:
“Your speech is violence; our violence is speech.”
Case in point (note – search engines are your friend. Too many links trigger moderation):
NYT: Scrutiny Mounts Over FBI Under Patel…
Politico: Kash Patel fumbled out of the gate on the Charlie Kirk investigation — and MAGA noticed
Lawfare: The Situation: A Less Effective FBI
Sing from the same hymnal much?
From the lefter:
New Yorker: Did Trump Just Declare War on the American Left? (This is old news — he did that back when they decided to lawfare him)
Atlantic: Trump’s Dangerous Response to the Kirk Assassination (Dangerous to who? More dangerous than a 30-06, or…)
LGBTQ Nation: No, I won’t be shedding any tears for Charlie Kirk (At least this person is honest, if unethical)
In my humble opinion, there is not an iota of sincerity in Obama’s remarks, but he had to say them. Nobody except for those of the left and those in the mushy middle will believe that they are anything other than mandatory proforma for a former president. But a man in his position cannot remain silent, and I’m not sure what he could’ve said that the right would accept.
On the bright side, Stephen King apologized for his absurd contention that Kirk endorsed stoning gays. For someone as brainwashed as King, it was almost a decent apology, although I suspect Jack may decide otherwise. I was fairly impressed, but I am inclined to forgive perhaps a bit too easily. More, please.
Finally, evil in my adopted home town.
AARGH. Only 2 links send me to moderation!!!???
😦
PWS
More than a little evidence is emerging that this guy was a Groyper, not a leftist at all.
1. Young, religious white male, raised in a pro-gun family. Could still be a leftist but, if you study political socialization, highly unlikely, just by the numbers. Most leftists come from leftist homes, most right-wingers from rightwing homes.
2. Dad was a 3%er according to some sources. So not just a right-winger, but a very active, armed one.
3. The Groyper movement has been warring with TPUSA for years. They disrupt events. They have said TERRIBLE things about Kirk. They are also heavily armed. They are political extremists who want a civil war.
4. The markings on the ammo, if accurately reported, are not actually leftist–they are gamer and groyper, much more than they are leftist–see the linked blog.
5. Kid dressed as a GROYPER in 2018 for Halloween. Um…what percent of teens do that? Really?
So if it turns out that this is Farther Right on Far Right violence (can I call Fuentes a neoNazi? Because he is…)…what are you going to do, the folks on this blog who have been assuming since they first heard the news that it was leftwing violence. That heaped calumnies at Obama and every other leftwing person or institution? Who called for mass arrests and ERADICATING the left?…granted, that hasn’t happened yet, but I would say the Groyper theory is at least as strong as the leftist theory now. I study political socialization, and have for years. The probability of a far left kid emerging from a far right household is around 5%-10%. The probability of a rightwinger is near 50% (the rest end up moderate conservative, apolitical etc). It’s probably more likely he ends up further to the right of his parents than he ends up far left.
https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/what-we-know-versus-what-we-were?fbclid=IwY2xjawMxbXVleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFhQVV5NTFqUldYWFpab2ZxAR4SydmcmsCkqRiYw6CMVms18GfCa7GLEJl8570Erwy5HYScZ1XRfLZwyLv0yw_aem_q0qoKr73-7tWn4wLuoMgOQ
Townhall has the following to say:
“Despite growing up in a conservative household, investigators found evidence that he was on the left. Family members told the authorities that he believed Charlie Kirk was “full of hate and spreading hate,” Cox said. Robinson allegedly engraved bullet shells with left-leaning messages such as “O’ bella ciao,” a reference to an Italian folk song that is typically used by Antifa.
He also engraved “Notices Bulge OWO what’s this??” on another casing. This is a sexual reference often associated with “furry” culture. Furries people who participate in a subculture centered on animal characters. People dress up as their favorite animals and interact with one another — sometimes in a sexual manner.
Robinson allegedly engraved another casing with a message saying “Hey fascist! Catch!”
The suspect was raised with guns from a young age. Social media photos show him in his younger years handling firearms.
There is still much more to learn about Robinson and the details of his motivation behind allegedly assassinating Charlie Kirk. But so far, it seems clear that Robinson, if he committed the crime, was motivated by a hatred of the right. Like others on the extreme left, he viewed his political opponents as “fascists.”
As time goes on, I believe we will find out Robinson was radicalized online, just as most of those who have carried out similar atrocities in the digital age. “
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/jeff-charles/2025/09/12/here-is-everything-we-know-about-charlie-kirk-assassin-tyler-robinson-n2663226
Suspect’s high school classmate says Robinson was the only ‘leftist’ in a family or ‘very’ hard Republicans
In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.
“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.
Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.
The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to “calling in a big bomb that exists” in the game “called the 500 kilogram”.
When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. “I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far.”
The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4340082/posts
And here is the relevant Instagram link of Anna Betts, reporter of the Guardian
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOhS-czjzsS
Entirely Axis disinformation. I’m surprised you would fall for it, but confirmation bias is a bitch.
Serious question, is it even ethical to acknowledge the arguments of the left anymore, given the bad faith they twist their positions into? Whether it is self-delusion, incompetence, stupidity or intentional sealioniong, I have seen almost no leftwing people bothering to even pay lip service to introspection over this assassination. They excuse, deflect or outright justify political violence. There are a few examples of actual introspection, but they are few and far between. Mostly the left has been cheering and deflecting criticism while demanding the right calm down. How is there any excuse for their position?
The left’s discourse after Charlie Kirk’s assassination is designed to kit conservatives mad. Are the left trying to provoke conservatives into violence?
First the left claims that political violence is mainly a phenomenon of the right. Congressmen Set Moulton is an example of this type of discourse.
Next, all the gleeful reactions to the assassination.
And now, after the arrest is made, the left is smugly pointing out that the killer is a MAGA conservative, or at least one of the right.
You know what did not happen after Charlie Kirk’s assassination? Looting and vandalism. Burning inner cities. Because that only happens when some unworthy who has the sympathy of the left dies. Somebody like George Floyd.
Instead you see prayer vigils. And the left cannot restrain themselves, and feel the need to disturb these.
I saw at a podcast from Tim Pool that there never has been such a high incidence of searches for the term “civil war” at Google. I would ask the left if this is what they want. Conservative are not like lefties who turn to violence and vandalism at the slightest provocation. But if you succeed, who do you think is going to win? There are more guns in the USA than people. Who do you think has more guns, conservatives or lefties? Who has had better gun training? The left is playing with fire.
“Who do you think has more guns, conservatives or lefties?“
Not to put too fine a point to it, but:
One side believes Y-Chromosomal Units can lactate, menstruate, and give birth, agonizes over pronouns, and frets mightily about who uses which bathroom.
The other is unburdened by such concerns and has trillions of rounds of ammo.
Toss up…?
PWS
No to put too fine a point to it, but:
One side believes Y-Chromosomal Units can lactate, menstruate, and give birth, agonizes over pronouns, and frets mightily about which bathroom to use.
The other is unburdened by such concerns, and has trillions of rounds of ammo.
Toss up…?
PWS
Ah, yes, the old, “It isn’t what it is.” Seen it before, unfortunately.
Look, I get it. I saw the same thing on the right after the Minnesota murders. That was bullshit, and this is too.
A “groyper,” as I understand the term, would never have used antifacist messaging on his bullets. Ever. The only thing the “groyperists” have is the gamer messaging, and the fact his family was Republican. My family was hard-core Democrat from a family of Democrats in a Democrat town in a (then) Democrat state. I was a Reagan Republican at 22, and serving my country at 23.
This is just the left trying to manufacture a shiny object. It may work for indoctrinated leftists, but it won’t work for anyone with their eyes open and their brain functioning. When the facts come out, the silliness of this position will be exposed and I’ll be sorely tempted to engage in “I told you so”.
If you choose to adopt this transparently manufactured narrative, you have chosen… poorly.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this kid’s ideology has zero to do with anything. You seem to be banking on the mistaken notion that, should the shooter turn out to be a right-wing nut, the left is suddenly absolved of all responsibility for the vile nature of much of its dialogue with, and treatment of, its political and religious counterparts on the right.
Why would you think that? Do you think a “gotcha” changes how your side has acted?…how it has portrayed those who think differently?
You seem like a pretty reasonable guy. It’s really simple: tell all your Democrat friends – whether they are teaching at any level in the education system, or talking on the news, or writing for the newspapers, or attempting to entertain us – to stop labeling people with different viewpoints “fascists, racists, Hitler, etc.”. Tell them to tell all their friends the same. If I hear a Republican doing it, I’ll tell him/her to knock it off as well.
Can you do that? If so, then we’re totally good.
The left is trying to hoax us again by claiming the shooter was a MAGA Republican or a Groyper. The truth is that his is a hard-left Antifa, and the receipts are posted earlier on this thread. And that is something that absolutely matters. Please do not allow you to get gaslighted into two-sides-ism. The left are trying to absolve themselves of the violence that their decades long demonization of conservatives by claiming that political violence is just as much a right wing issue.
At least on TwitteX many of them are digging into every unlikely crevice to find some speck of “proof” that he, at the time of this act, was really some type of right-winger. They have trotted out a statement by his grandmother to the effect that “The whole family was Republican”. That may have been true at one time, or even as a not quite accurate generalization…but the grandmother also supposedly admitted she had never talked politics with the boy.
https://x.com/MIForward_Net/status/1966636154301669810
This seems worth talking about. The left seems to think they get to decide who gets to mourn and what they get to mourn for.
I’ve been struggling not to give in to the hatred. The paranoia. The rage and fear. It isn’t easy.
It seems that the country is fairly neatly divided into four major camps after a pair of directly related tragedies. (I know that it is in fact, not, but for the sake of simplicity, let’s explore.) The right observed one of their rising stars get brutally executed in front of a crowd of thousands, including his own wife and children. A man who had risen to prominence through devotion to God, a love of his country, and an unwavering belief that we needed to sit down and talk instead of fighting. Not a perfect man, certainly not afraid of staying and defending his own controversial positions, but a man who, by all neutral accounts, was a genuinely nice guy who was trying to make the country better. Boom, in an instant, he’s dead.
These people on the right are shocked. Traumatized by the sudden violence. Afraid that the dial has been turned up so high. Defiant not to let his senseless death be in vain. All rational, human responses to seeing a member of their own tribe cut down. As is the next response, reaching out – in vulnerability and pain – looking for support and connection. Here is the problem.
In looking for support, they encounter the immediate reaction of the left. It doesn’t seem to be horror. The left is singing praises to the killer, bemoaning the fact that they didn’t get a chance to piss on the corpse before it cooled off, and making wishlists of who they wanted to be next. These are anonymous ghouls online, but many of them aren’t anonymous – they’re friends, family. People they’ve grown up with have suddenly smiled, revealing vampire fangs. Now, it isn’t just the actions of a crazed lunatic with a gun anymore, it’s the guy who smiles at them when he delivers the paper, and the nice lady who runs the pta. They’re surrounded by monsters, and according to the internet, outnumbered, with no way of telling friend from foe. This is trauma number 2. That’s a very dangerous situation to suddenly find oneself in.
Shock starts to wear off, people are starting to react, too all themselves what is next. Suddenly, the third group appears. The left splits – many are still gleefully dancing on Kirk’s grave, but a new voice begins to emerge. One that starts with a bit of reason. “all violence is a tragedy” “no one should be killed for speech” “this is appalling.” Finally, a voice in the other side that can be trusted to be rational. “But.” Uh, oh. “The guy you liked was really an asshole.” “If you didn’t love your guns more than your children…” “if you’re upset that this evil monster is dead, you need to check that you’re not a monster, yourself.”
Now the right begins to schism. One group embrace the rage and the hatred as a way to handle the pain. “If they hate us so much, we’ll show them what REAL hate looks like.” The rest try to cling to reason, to keep the urge to hate at bay. Not made easy by the seemingly endless waves of people pointing, laughing, and enjoying the pain. Or the crowd tut-tutting about how disgraceful it is that the right is being swallowed up by extreme emotions, and that they just need to fix those obviously wrong feelings. Mostly by realizing that the guy was a nazi, and that you don’t cry for nails, you shoot them.
I hope that the people on the right, driven to hatred in this moment find their way back. I can understand how they reached that point. What I can’t understand is how, in a moment of surprise horror, one’s immediate, natural reaction would be one of glee. The equivalent with roles reversed would be for the right to respond to a school shooting – like the one that same day in colorado, which would also have people reeling – with quotes like “sad the kid didn’t kill more of the little bastards before eating the gun himself” or “wish I’d have known, I’d have loved to help!” No one would say that. Because it’s horrible. And yet…. that’s the first response we got to Kirk’s death.
“I hope that the people on the right, driven to hatred in this moment find their way back. I can understand how they reached that point. “
The right is livid, and most righteously so. If you are not livid about political murder you are simply not a decent human being. And they should be able to express their anger without the left trying to police their tone.
What we do not see after the assassination is the type of violence that we saw after the death of George Floyd. Instead we see prayer vigils. So please stop with with lecturing the right about their supposed hatred.
The hatred is entirely on the left. The hatred of the left has led to Charlie Kirk’s assassination. Please do not blame the victim here.
This hatred is a product of decades long demonization of conservatives by the left. This demonization reached fever pitch during Kamala Harris campaign. And a gullible, impressionable young man reached for a gun because he considered killing fascists a good and righteous deed.
So if the left want to be on speaking terms with the right again, why don’t they walk back every claim that conservatives including Trump are Nazi’s, fascists, racists etc.?
This is the public statement of the widow 48 hours after her husbands murder…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SHpvRYg_o&pp=ygUKZXJpa2Ega2lyaw%3D%3D
watch this is and try to disparage her or her husband
Aaron wrote:
I hope that the people on the right, driven to hatred in this moment find their way back. I can understand how they reached that point.
Hmm. I’m not sure there’s that much right-wing hatred, but in all honesty, that word has lost its meaning due to everything being hatred if it doesn’t comport with revealed ideology, particularly on the left.
What I think you mistake for hatred is “had enough.” Many on the right are tired of seeing trans people shoot up schools, Democrat run cities provide opportunities for violence and murder by releasing multiple felons and downsizing law enforcement or forbidding them from enforcing the law, and the left getting away with riot, pillage, and petty crime in urban areas. An assassination of a popular figure on the right is the straw that broke the camel’s back, probably.
Unlike the left, the right does not do demonstrations to any meaningful degree, so their action will likely be coming via the force of law and within legal bounds — lawsuits, investigations, prosecutions, and self-defense. If I were on the left, I would be very wary of getting physical with opponents after this. I would also lawyer up if I were an activist or financier, because their lives are about to get real spicy.
It is not impossible that there will be some lawless right-wing violence — it is certainly not unknown. Protests are going to be particularly dangerous places for real life-and-death stuff after this. But I don’t think that is going to be the primary result of this particular event.
Now, if another similar event happens soon, I reserve the right to revise that assessment.
Prominent lefties are probably getting nervous. The more lefties spew hate and rage and justify violence, the more likely it is that someone or several someones on the other side is/are going to snap and do something crazy to retaliate.
Is it right? No. Is it justified? No. Will some folks decide that it’s both because they’ve had enough of only one side doing things like this, justifying it, and getting away with it? Yes.
The left is trying to mislead the public into thinking this is somebody far far right who just went rogue, but that’s not what happened. This guy was a lefty rogue already. That said, it looks like he acted alone, because most people on the left have a modicum of sense and know that doing something like this on the current environment could make it open season on them.
The thing is, like the Axis nations, they all had a little too much success in 2020, tearing town public art and in some cases gleefully cutting it apart, forcing a whole new holiday, and ultimately ousting the president, though it turns out that was only temporary. They thought nothing could stop them from turning this nation into the socialist/white inferiorist one party state they wanted.
Unfortunately, not only did that fail, but a bunch of them either didn’t get the memo or decided to go violent extremist, thinking this nation was so cowed it would just fall into line, and that the same rhetoric that they used in 2020 would suffice again now. Good thing is, this is not tearing down the statue or mocking someone who got sick and died or died in an accident . This is cheering on a premeditated murder and saying that it’s all right to shoot someone dead if you disagree with him strongly enough or hate him enough. It’s even saying that you are a hero if you do that.
This may scare plenty of people, but it’s also going to make people quick to react if they think there is a threat. It’s likely to make law enforcement more, not less aggressive. It’s going to make the other side stop playing the defense and go on the offensive. More importantly, it’s going to meet the other side’s crazies eager to take some scalps of their own. Whose scalp will it be?
By the way Jack, you free for a meal in the next couple of days?
There isn’t enough evidence yet to conclude the motive of the shooter. It’s been a probabilistic discussion all along, and the only person wrong is the one who has been sure. I’ve consistently talked in likelihoods, initially accepting the narrative that it was likely a leftist. Then I raised the Groyper issue, before capture. Then after capture, I said evidence is growing. Then I said the Guardian, if it holds up, suggests leftist. But again, the only mistake, which it seems everyone but me in this discussion, was certainty. You all, like our president KNEW it was a leftist. Maybe that’s what we’ll find out, but it’s more like picking the Super Bowl winner than certainty, although I guess some of you will reply that it was a Super Bowl of the Eagles vs. the Little Sisters of the Poor. Maybe.
Anyway, the good thing is I think we will find out. The family knows. The killer knows. The online evidence will be there, if he is like most ideological killers of the last decade.
Maybe art can bring us together? This is Jesse Welles if you don’t know. He is, right now, our Dylan, our Guthrie. He writes beautiful aching songs about things, and lately he has been writing them very quickly. He put this out yesterday, and it’s just heartbreakingly beautiful.
There is no evidence he was anything but a radical Left-winger. You throw up a bunch of innuendo and conjecture, but it’s pure copium. You just refuse to accept it.
jdkazoo123, you are making a mistake on assuming certainty on most posters part. The observable fact based reality is that it is “possible” it was an MKULTRA assassin or a neo-Nazi, but based on observable facts prior to the event….not so much. The reactions of the prominent main stream media and leftist politicians is also an indicator. This is the real-time reaction of Joe Rogan, which shows emotion and genuine reactions.
compare this to
Call it professionalism if you like.
Steve-O-in-NJ wrote:
“Prominent lefties are probably getting nervous. The more lefties spew hate and rage and justify violence, the more likely it is that someone or several someone on the other side is/are going to snap and do something crazy to retaliate.”
I do not think that this captures the real fears. The real fear of the left is that the Trump administration will react with overwhelming law enforcement, wipe Antifa and other hard-left organizers of violence off the de map, find out which NGOs and individual contributors funds these, and go after these with the full force of the law e.g. RICO investigations.
On the right there are different fears.
The first fear is that of copycats. On BlueSky people are “joking” about a hitlist with many names such as Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Tim Pool, and with the name Charlie Kirk crossed of. And the right has now learned that when the left says that they will kill you they are serious. The left is out to kill the right.
The second fear is more censorship. Will universities still host TPUSA events in the future? Or conservative speakers? Or will the “adults” in the room, the administrators, prevent those events with as stated reason the fear of violence and assassinations? Will these events become prohibitively expensive due to enhance security requirements and insurance? Given the already existing climate created by the cancel culture I am not to optimistic.
Welp, I’ll just leave this here.
It is very unlikely that a conservative, especially a “groyper,” would be living with a transgender partner.
I’m struggling to see this as a bad thing. ANTIFA is a terrorist organization. The are exactly the thing they claim to be fighting. They are steadfast in their beliefs that violence is acceptable in response to words. Anyone who participated or funded them belongs in prison. They are the embodiment of DARVO in the public debate space. They redefine their opponents words as violence and their own fists, sticks, thrown rocks and bricks and their arson as freedom of expression.
Let me clarify. I stated that this is a fear of the left. And I agree that this is a good thing. I want the left to be afraid….very afraid.