Comment Of The Day: “Law Professor/Blogger Ann Althouse, Because We Have Reached The Point…”

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This is a bit of a hybrid Comment of the Day. It wasn’t complete until commenter Isaac, in response to a request, added the references and sources to the media statements he posted in the original comment/

Here is Isaac’s Comment of the Day on the post, Ethics Hero: Law Professor/Blogger Ann Althouse, Because We Have Reached The Point Where Any Blogger, Journalist, Pundit Or Citizen Who Helps Expose The Disgraceful Debasement Of Ethics And Duty By American Journalists For Partisan Goals Is A Hero, And We Need As Many Of Them As It Takes To Stop This Crap…

Let’s assume that there isn’t just some sort of bug that makes hardline Leftists this way only if they take up journalism or blogging. It’s an entire political hive mind of crazy in government, academia, entertainment…any place where too many spoiled products of nepotism hang out. They’re inescapable, and the average person who just wants to be cool can’t help but be caught up in it.

You start by shouting “Amen!” as some late night comedian does an “epic truth takedown” of Trump or Republicans or whatever, and the next thing you know you’re in a vortex of Leftist insanity that you can’t really escape from without going over to the dreaded “Right-wing media” with all of their fake news. It’s the virus taking over the host organism.

It feels like all they do all day is gaslight us, telling us that we can’t believe our own eyes.

“Smashing police cars is a legitimate political strategy”

-Salon.com headline

“Why is Hillary Clinton So Widely Loved?”

-theatlantic.com headline (later changed)

“Herpes has made my sex life healthier and more satisfying than before.”

-Emily Depasse, designer of a sex education curriculum for children, and graduate from Maryland’s Salisbury University with a major in Gender and Sexual Studies.

“While a controversial figure, both Fidel Castro’s supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people.”

-Canadian president Justin Trudeau

“White men must be stopped: The very future of mankind depends on it”

-salon.com headline

“Hillary Clinton Is One of America’s Most Honest Politicians”

-Mother Jones

“One-party autocracy certainly has its drawbacks. But when it is led by a reasonably enlightened group of people, as China is today, it can also have great advantages.”

— Times columnist Thomas Friedman

“Donald Trump is Worse Than Hitler”

-Paste Magazine

“George W. Bush is imperialistic, genocidal, fascist, and worse than Hitler.”

-Venezuelan Socialist President Hugo Chavez

“Ronald Reagan was a murderer, and worse than Hitler.”

-Larry Kramer, in The Advocate magazine.

“Men putting their arms around women is sexist.”

-Actress Helen Mirren, paraphrased (the actual quote is worse)

“I filmed my abortion. It will always be a special memory for me. Every time I watch the video, I love it.”

-Emily Letts, abortion clinic counselor who became a progressive sensation after filming her own abortion.

“Honor-killing should not be called ‘barbaric’”

-Justin Trudeau, Canadian Prime Minister

“Being a slut is glorious.”

-Vice Magazine Canada

“MMA woman fighter Fallon fox may have been born a man, but losing to her doesn’t mean she has an unfair advantage.”

-Vice.com

“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience. It starts a process of self-exploration.”

– Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar college, quoted in TIME magazine

“Sexual intercourse is a means of making a woman inferior.”

-Andrea Dworkin, feminist author

“Black people can’t be racist.”

-Prof. Michael Eric Dyson, MSNBC pundit

“Black on Black crime isn’t a thing.

-Franchesca Ramsey, MTV News

“Right-wing Christians are responsible for [Muslim Democrat ISIS follower Omar Mateen] committing mass murder at a gay club in Orlando.”

-slate.com, ACLU lawyers Chase Strangio and Eunice Rho, and CNN contributor Sally Kohn, among others.

“Just Mao Zedong and Stalin didn’t believe in God, doesn’t mean you can call them atheists.”

-Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, and Michael Sherlock

“I hope no one uses the term illegal immigrants here today. They are new Americans that are immigrants.”

-Rep. John Conyers Jr.

“Muhammad Was A Feminist”

-Jim Garrison, The Huffington Post

“Yasser Arafat: Freedom fighter”

-Green Left Weekly

Yasser Arafat was a brave fighter and a consistent symbol of the decades-long Palestinian liberation struggle.”

-ABC News

“I’ve been the most transparent public official in modern times…”

-Hillary Clinton

“National Debt? There’s No Such Thing”

-Common Dreams (headline, “Breaking News and Views for the Progressive Community.”)

“Suicide Bombings Have Nothing to do with Islam”

-The Young Turks

Those are all actual quotes, headlines, and sentiments from “legitimate” media sources, famous Leftists, and educated and influential people. These statements cannot be reconciled with sanity or reason.

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39 responses to “Comment Of The Day: “Law Professor/Blogger Ann Althouse, Because We Have Reached The Point…”

  1. Carcarwhite

    That can’t be real. Please tell me that was the onion???? Please??? Jack???

    • Chris

      Many of these quotes are not real. This one:

      Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience. It starts a process of self-exploration.
      – Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar college, quoted in TIME magazine

      Gets one result on Google. That result is this article.

      This one:

      “Yasser Arafat was a brave fighter and a consistent symbol of the decades-long Palestinian liberation struggle.”

      is taken so far out of context as to completely change the meaning of what ABC News actually said, which was:

      Under Arafat’s leadership, the PLO carried out some of the world’s most infamous terrorist attacks. But not even his fiercest detractors would deny that the man with the checkered kaffiyeh was a brave fighter and a consistent symbol of the decades-long Palestinian liberation struggle.

      This one does not seem to be accurately sourced:

      “Donald Trump is Worse Than Hitler”
      -Paste Magazine

      I cannot find an article by that title, though it was a sentence in an article by Zero Hedge, which is typically much more right-wing and is currently very pro-Trump.

      None of the people quoted ever said this:

      “Right-wing Christians are responsible for [Muslim Democrat ISIS follower Omar Mateen] committing mass murder at a gay club in Orlando.”
      -slate.com, ACLU lawyers Chase Strangio and Eunice Rho, and CNN contributor Sally Kohn, among others.

      Some of the other quotes are legitimate. A few are irrelevant; who cares what Hugo Chavez said? What modern-day feminist isn’t aware that Andrea Dworkin’s views on heterosexual intercourse were radical and bizarre? Others are worthy of criticism. Some are merely pithy–is anyone seriously offended by “Being a slut is glorious?” Seriously? That’s funny. Some quotes I disagree with, but am not in the least bit offended by, such as “Black people can’t be racist“–this is a legitimate academic theory with its own internally consistent definition of racism, which it distinguishes from racial prejudice. I disagree with it, and I think it’s counterproductive because only other academics can understand it, but it doesn’t offend me, and it doesn’t mean what non-academics think it means.

      This is why I hate lists like this. Beyond their chain e-mail quality, they take a lot longer to fact-check than they do to read. But they’re not meant to be fact-checked; they are meant, like chain e-mails, to be shared among the faithful and used as a rhetorical “own” on stupid “libtards.” I’m surprised to see something like this, riddled with so many inaccuracies, as a Comment of the Day, especially given this site’s vigorous condemnations of “fake news.”

      • Chris

        Apologies–when I took the quotes off the quote about false rape accusations, I was able to find the original. It is different from the quote only in phrasing; the sentiment behind it is unfortunately real:

        Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar, also sees some value in this loose use of “rape.” She says angry victims of various forms of sexual intimidation cry rape to regain their sense of power. “To use the word carefully would be to be careful for the sake of the violator, and the survivors don’t care a hoot about him.” Comins argues that men who are unjustly accused can sometimes gain from the experience. “They have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them. I think it ideally initiates a process of self-exploration. ‘How do I see women?’ ‘If I didn’t violate her, could I have?’ ‘Do I have the potential to do to her what they say I did?’ Those are good questions.”

        Disgusting, and Comins is clearly not fit for her job. It’s important to note, though, that this quote was immediately rebutted by the Time article:

        Taken to extremes, there is an ugly element of vengeance at work here. Rape , is an abuse of power. But so are false accusations of rape, and to suggest that men whose reputations are destroyed might benefit because it will make them more sensitive is an attitude that is sure to backfire on women who are seeking justice for all victims. On campuses where the issue is most inflamed, male students are outraged that their names can be scrawled on a bathroom-wall list of rapists and they have no chance to tell their side of the story.

        http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,157165,00.html

      • “Gets one result on Google. That result is this article.”

        Regardless of the fact that you recognize your own error in your own reply, it is interesting that you sharpshoot Isaac here for citing something that potentially has ONLY ONE locate-able source. Essentially saying his claim has no foundation.

        Yet YOU dug in on a hill and fought tenaciously when you cited a “screenshot” of Milo Yiannopolis’ Islam vs Cancer survey, never mind that screenshot CANNOT BE FOUND ANYWHERE AT ALL, other than posted by someone who works for an Islamic public relations group.

        Man…

        Add this to your double standard regarding REAL Hillary conflicts of interest vs unsubstantiated Fake News regarding alleged Trump conflicts of interest and Also added to your attacks on other people’s weak arguments in support of true conclusions while scoffing attacks on your own weak arguments in support of true conclusions.

        You are rounding out to be a solid walking double standard.

      • This is Isaac’s post to defend. I take responsibility for the accuracy of my own posts, and that’s hard enough. Thanks for the source checks…that’s what comments are for. COTD are chosen for many reasons. They do not necessarily express the positions of the blog or the blog’s author.

        Frankly, the quotes by Conyers and Clinton are so infuriating that they make the comment’s point all by themselves.

      • Chris Bentley

        https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/04/why-donald-trump-is-worse-than-hitler.html

        Try using Duckduckgo.com as a search engine sometime; you’ll get tons of results that Google overlooks.

        • Chris

          Thanks.

          I don’t know what to make of that article–some of it seems in jest. The comparisons between the two men are all petty and superficial–the writer says things like Hitler had a sense of style and Trump doesn’t. This makes me think it’s aiming for satire, but it’s also so filled with real loathing for Trump that I can’t tell. (Sad that it’s impossible to tell these days.) Absolutely nothing about Hitler killing millions of people and Trump not proposing anything of the kind. Indefensibly bad writing, and if the headline is meant in earnest, indefensible sentiment as well.

          • Isaac

            I don’t think he honestly believes Trump is worse than Hitler. It’s a real quote, but my point was more that the comparisons of [Republican X] to Hitler go back decades to the point where it loses all substance. If a real, Hitler-like fascist were to rise up through the Republican ranks, the Left wouldn’t have any previously unused hyperbole left in reserve to properly communicate the danger. They would just sound like their usual selves.

            • YES! I’ve said this before: Once you go about calling milquetoast candidates like McCain and Romney “Sexist, racist, homophobic, crazy and evil.” where do you have left to go? You’ve blown your load of rhetoric and you have nothing to ramp up to when someone more deserving of the labels takes the stage.”

      • Chris Bentley

        “According to the U.S. Census, the poverty rate for single parents with children in the United States in 2008 was 36.5 percent. The rate for married couples with children was 6.4 percent. Being raised in a married family reduced a child’s probability of living in poverty by about 80 percent.”
        http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/09/marriage-america-s-greatest-weapon-against-child-poverty

        “Of all the factors most predictive of economic mobility in America, one factor clearly stands out in their study: family structure. By their reckoning, when it comes to mobility, “the strongest and most robust predictor is the fraction of children with single parents.” They find that children raised in communities with high percentages of single mothers are significantly less likely to experience absolute and relative mobility. Moreover, “[c]hildren of married parents also have higher rates of upward mobility if they live in communities with fewer single parents.”
        http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/01/new_harvard_study_where_is_the_land_of_opportunity_finds_broken_families.html

        “…family structure has a substantial bearing on a child’s future. Trends point to the rise of single-parent households, especially single-mothers. Due to limited resources, children from single-parent households tend to fare worse than children from two-parent households. These children are significantly more likely to experience poverty and family instability, factors that have been known to affect a child’s cognitive development and thus threaten the lifelong learning that can move children out of poverty.
        http://thenextgeneration.org/blog/post/mapping-loss-of-opportunity-in-ca-indicators

        Social scientists have found that children growing up in single-parent families are disadvantaged in other ways when compared to a two-biological-parent families. Many of these problems are directly related to the poor economic condition of single-parent families, not just to parenting style. These children are at risk for the following:
        -lower levels of educational achievement
        -twice as likely to drop out of school
        -more likely to become teen parents
        -more frequently abuse drugs and alcohol
        -more high-risk sexual behavior
        -more likely to join a gang
        -twice as likely to go to jail
        -four times as likely to need help for emotional and behavioral problems
        -more likely to participate in violent crime
        -more likely to commit suicide
        http://www.healthofchildren.com/S/Single-Parent-Families.html

        —-
        ““Being a slut is glorious?” Seriously? That’s funny.”
        —-
        What you find funny, I find tragic. But, no, lets all keep celebrating and normalizing the behavior of people who casually sleep around and put themselves at a higher risk for single parenthood than do people who are in a committed relationship. Especially when 2/3 of all black children are born into the above situations. That number was under 20% two generations ago.

        In 1965 the gap between white and black out of wedlock births was 21%. It rose to 43% in 2010

        For someone who supports a party that works round the clock to equalize outcomes, encouraging behavior that is self destructive towards blacks at a higher rate than whites doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that a bleeding heart would find “funny”.

      • Isaac

        I made my defense in a standalone post below. There are no inaccuracies and all the sentiments conveyed are faithful representations. This is no chain email; I actually banged it out myself in borderline OCD fashion, with great care. And I would never be caught dead saying such a thing as “libtard.”

      • Rich in CT

        Some quotes I disagree with, but am not in the least bit offended by, such as “Black people can’t be racist“–this is a legitimate academic theory with its own internally consistent definition of racism, which it distinguishes from racial prejudice. I disagree with it, and I think it’s counterproductive because only other academics can understand it, but it doesn’t offend me, and it doesn’t mean what non-academics think it means.

        There is a word for academic theories sound batshit crazy without understanding the alleged context: batshit crazy. I have a master’s degree in a science related field. It is one thing for scientific words to have a meaning that is slightly different than its everyday meaning. Heat, Work, Energy, Power, Force, etc., need to mean something precise to duplicate results.

        When Chill Rob G says he’s “got the power”, we can safely assume that he is not talking about how much work he is doing per second. But if a scientist uses Rob’s definition in a journal article, all subsequent discussion is worthless.

        When academics take terms that are fairly unambiguous, and redefine them to mean something different than the average reader will understand, that is not done to clarify the issues, and facilitate a meaningful discussion. That is done to specifically and deliberately obfuscate the discussion.

        What possible discussion is meaningfully had to say that “Black people can’t be racist“? The discussion is immediately an implied insult to anyone who does not blindly agree with it. Anyone who disagrees is clearly ignorant of the current definition of academic terms d’arts, and so is not allowed to contribute. It is designed to shame people into nodding wisely, as though they understand this incomprehensible shit.

        “[A]nd it doesn’t mean what non-academics think it means” is a cop out when someone calls bullshit (to use the technical term). Academics are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to clarify the issues facing the world today. They are given tenure so that can discuss difficult topics open and honestly. They are given a great deal of deference to explore issues that many will see no value in. They abuse this privilege to redefine basic words to discuss theories in ‘internally consistent’ make-believe language.

        The job of an academic is to bring meaning, value, and clarity to the issues. IF there is any value to the theory they attempt to convey by claiming “Black people can’t be racist“, they have utterly failed to bring clarity to that issue, and they have done it so as to wipe away any possible benefit of the doubt that it not censorial, censorious, insulting gibberish.

        • Chris

          Rich, this is a fairly compelling argument against the academic theory of racism as prejudice + power, and I can’t necessarily find anything to disagree with in it. I may even recommend it as a Comment of the Day.

  2. This is a new one, from Slate today:

    “In his farewell address, President Barack Obama—one of just a handful of people on earth whose talent and achievements are on par with Beyoncé’s—said that, of all his accomplishments, he prizes having raised his daughters most highly.”

    See, I can’t trust a publication that would allow something this idiotic to be published.

    • Chris

      “In his farewell address, President Barack Obama—one of just a handful of people on earth whose talent and achievements are on par with Beyoncé’s—said that, of all his accomplishments, he prizes having raised his daughters most highly.”

      Oh, come on. That’s hilarious. (Also, it’s in an article specifically about Beyonce, so I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. In context. Which, again, lists like this intentionally erase, in order to mislead.)

      http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/01/11/why_nobody_got_outraged_when_obama_said_his_kids_are_his_greatest_accomplishment.html

      • Is this the joke excuse? Are you really saying she doesn’t believe this? Why say it, then? I know people who do believe it—Obama does—and the cult of personality worship around Obama has poisoned his Presidency. The context of the remark doesn’t change its absurdity.

        • Chris

          It’s using the obvious rhetorical device of understatement–Obama, as president of the United States, is obviously one of the most accomplished people in the world by definition, certainly more than any singer–and the intention clearly is to be humorous, while also containing truth. You don’t believe Obama is particularly talented, but obviously many people disagree.

          • Those people have an impossible task making the case on the facts, unless we consider talents only tangentially related to job success. He’s a talented performer and comic. He’s an able father and family man. He’s a pretty good writer. Obviously just being President for 8 years is an accomplishment of the highest order…if that’s all that’s being said, I won’t disagree.

            It’s the “handful” part that is outrageous.

  3. Well, I would have bet anything, given any odds, that the author of this statement had to be in the throes of group loyalty, racial bias, and confirmation delusions, because that would be the only possible excuse. If Obama is so talented, why was he such a feckless, weak, whiny, incompetent, destructive and divisive leader? But I was wrong: the author is white. This is kind of encouraging, in a perverse way.

    • Chris

      Wait–your problem with that line is that you don’t think Obama is as talented or accomplished as Beyonce?

      • No, I don’t think he OR she are among the most accomplished and talented people in the world. BUT she’s a much more successful entertainer than he was a President…though hardly close to the top of that heap, either.

        • Wayne

          Nope, it was a terrible idea to have her perform at the CMA with the Dixie Chicks. Maybe she’s talented but it was the wrong venue.

  4. Isaac

    Hey, I appreciate Chris looking into each of those for himself. Some of his refutations have already been de-refuted before I got here, so I will just respond to the ones that remain. I am very careful not to misrepresent someone’s statements if I quote them, and I haven’t done so here (or needed to.)

    Chris said:
    ——— “Yasser Arafat was a brave fighter and a consistent symbol of the decades-long Palestinian liberation struggle.”
    is taken so far out of context as to completely change the meaning of what ABC News actually said, which was:
    Under Arafat’s leadership, the PLO carried out some of the world’s most infamous terrorist attacks. But not even his fiercest detractors would deny that the man with the checkered kaffiyeh was a brave fighter and a consistent symbol of the decades-long Palestinian liberation struggle.—–

    Thank you for sharing the full quote, but I submit that you abuse the term “out of context.” My quote, quotation A, is a subset of the entire paragraph, quotation B. Nothing left out from quotation B contradicts what is in quotation A. “Under Arafat’s leadership, the PLO carried out some of the world’s most infamous terrorist attacks” is a perfectly reasonable thing to say. But “not even his fiercest detractors would deny that the man with the checkered kaffiyeh was a brave fighter and a consistent symbol of the decades long Palestinian liberation struggle” is a silly thing to say. I condensed down the silly statement, adding nothing, because my purpose was to point out crazy things. You can’t deny that a person who says “not even his fiercest detractors would deny X” does in fact believe X himself. NOT out of context. Perfectly within context, and an accurate summation of one of the authors points. Nothing is added or subtracted from my quote by providing context, other than the fact that the ABC News isn’t COMPLETELY crazy and didn’t publish ONLY glowing praise for Arafat, which was never my contention. My contention is that they said a crazy and indefensible thing. Because they did.

    Moving on, Chris said:

    ————None of the people quoted ever said this:

    “Right-wing Christians are responsible for [Muslim Democrat ISIS follower Omar Mateen] committing mass murder at a gay club in Orlando.”
    -slate.com, ACLU lawyers Chase Strangio and Eunice Rho, and CNN contributor Sally Kohn, among others.————–

    And that is just wrong. ALL of them said it, or I wouldn’t have attributed the opinion to them. I can appreciate you not trusting me, a guy on the internet whom you don’t know…so here you go:

    -This slate.com article: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/06/15/pulse_orlando_shooting_and_conservative_christian_anti_gay_rhetoric.html if you find it on google, comes with the byline, provided by the website, “Conservative Christian activists share the blame for anti-gay hate in Orlando” with of course the subject of the article being the night club shooting, and a defense of other progressives pointing fingers at conservatives and Christians after a gay Democrat Muslim attacked the night club.

    -Chase Strangio tweeted this in the aftermath of the attacks: “the Christian Right has introduced 200 anti-LGBT bills in the last six months and people blaming Islam for this. No. #PulseNightclub”
    And also this:
    “You know what is gross – your thoughts and prayers and Islamophobia after you created this anti-queer climate.” Leaving no doubt that Strangio believes Christianity to be more to be blame for Orlando than Islam (to which he attributes zero blame.)

    Another ACLU attorney, Eunice Hyon Min Rho “attacked Republicans for expressing sympathy for the victims when they sponsored bills that protect religious freedom and re-tweeted an account suggesting that politicians were interested in exploiting the carnage for an “anti-Muslim agenda.” Her tweets have been deleted, but this was reported by multiple sources and I find no reason to doubt that it happened.

    -CNN’s Sally Kohn tweeted this: “Hey right wing Christians desperately trying to point out that right wing Muslims are more anti-gay than you are: Your guilt is showing!” Again, an attribution of guilt for the shooting to Christians.

    The general sentiment that Christians bear responsibility for the shooting Orlando is clear and present in all of these examples, (and many, MANY more I didn’t bother sharing.)

    That leaves ZERO valid accusations that any of the quotes may not be real. Of course they’re real. And with that out of the way…

    ——-“Who cares what Hugo Chavez said?”——-
    All of the leftists who wear his t-shirts do. Oliver Stone made a movie about him. And CBS News did come out with the headline, “Chavez Death Echoes With Leftists Worldwide,” so yeah, someone cares.

    ———–“What modern-day feminist isn’t aware that Andrea Dworkin’s views on heterosexual intercourse were radical and bizarre?”———–
    She’s widely read and prescribed on college campuses, wrote for the Guardian, and even had at least some effect on Canadian federal law. Her books were published by a mainstream publisher.

    ———–Some are merely pithy–is anyone seriously offended by “Being a slut is glorious?” Seriously? That’s funny. ————-
    Read the article. It’s not a joke. It’s a serious defense of all levels of promiscuity as praiseworthy and honorable. (Incidentally, there’s an new STD epidemic going on right now. Gonorrhea, for one, appears to be evolving past our ability to treat it.)

    ————“Black people can’t be racist“–this is a legitimate academic theory with its own internally consistent definition of racism, which it distinguishes from racial prejudice. I disagree with it, and I think it’s counterproductive because only other academics can understand it, but it doesn’t offend me, and it doesn’t mean what non-academics think it means.————-

    Flag on the play, appeal to authority. “Racist” means, and always has meant, racial prejudice. Legitimate academic theories don’t try to change the fundamental meanings of basic words for political reasons. What you are describing is an ILLEGITIMATE academic theory, to which you are describing legitimacy simply because it is happening in an academic setting. You are entirely proving my point. Objectively stupid ideas don’t belong in academia, unless they are being refuted and failing. The fact that a bad, illogical, and faulty concept can go viral in an educational setting SHOULD offend you.

    —————This is why I hate lists like this. Beyond their chain e-mail quality, they take a lot longer to fact-check than they do to read. But they’re not meant to be fact-checked; they are meant, like chain e-mails, to be shared among the faithful and used as a rhetorical “own” on stupid “libtards.” I’m surprised to see something like this, riddled with so many inaccuracies, as a Comment of the Day, especially given this site’s vigorous condemnations of “fake news.”—————-

    You hate lists like what? Lots of examples of something? I fact-check everything myself. I compiled this myself, and I carefully and accurately conveyed all of the sentiments of the original authors, as you now know. I appreciate your fact-checking. Your earlier statements “many of these quotes are not real” is now verified incorrect (they’re ALL real) and deserves a retraction, especially since I was very clear at the beginning that they were not all word-for-word quotes, but sentiments.

    • Isaac

      Oh and “riddled with so many inaccuracies” deserves a retraction too. There is not one single inaccuracy, let alone many inaccuracies that would be required for a riddling. You are entitled to your opinions about just how insane many of these sentiments are, but you are not entitled to your own facts about who expressed them and whether or not they did. (I’m not asking for a retraction, just saying, for the record, that I deserve one.)

      Anyways, I am honored to be thought of at Ethics Alarms. I mostly just drop in way too late on a topic and post something insubstantial from my phone. In real life I really don’t talk about politics much, and the interaction here is a fun release. I appreciate all the work that goes into keeping it stimulating and civil.

      • dragin_dragon

        Much the same as me, Isaac. And, I will say that I always enjoy your posts, and have learned from many of them. Congrats on the COTD!

    • Chris

      Isaac, when you put statements into quotation marks there is a presumption that you are using direct quotes. Many of these, such as the statements about the Pulse shootings, are paraphrases wrongly put in quotation marks. I still find this misleading (even if your paraphrases themselves are fair–as I must now concede your paraphrases about the Pulse shooting comments are).

      You say you didn’t intend to make it seem like ABC was only offering praise for Arafat, but that’s certainly how it came across to me, especially because you cut the quote mid-sentence. Why do that? I’m also not quite sure what’s wrong with the quote itself. Arafat was “a consistent symbol of the decades-long Palestinian liberation struggle.” That’s just a fact, and a morally neutral one. Calling him a “brave fighter” also seems morally neutral to me. I have seen people refer to Hitler as a brave fighter even when they had absolutely no love for the man.

      I’m still not sure about your point re: Andrea Dworkin. Yes, she is still taught. She was a very influential feminist. She also had extremely problematic views about men and sex. Most feminists I know are aware of this, and as someone who interacted with a lot of college feminists, I never heard one praise her view that all heterosexual sex is rape. Is it your view that influential thinkers shouldn’t be taught on college campuses if they held some abhorrent views?

      All that said, I must moderate my initial stance on your list. Most of the quotes are at the very least fair paraphrases of what the original speakers said, and I did learn something from reading it. I also agree that many of the views expressed by these leftists are abhorrent, unfair, or silly.

  5. ““While a controversial figure, both Fidel Castro’s supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people.”

    -Canadian president Justin Trudeau”

    This happened, I think because JT is a spoiled left leaning boob who was born to privilege so detached from the rest of Canada that he can’t possibly understand what it’s like to live without wait staff.

    BUT! Never let it be said that Canada does not have a sence of humour, or that we can’t aim it squarely at our own. This bumble created #Trudeaueuloies on Twitter… Some choice bits:

    “Thanks to Jerry Sandusky and his decade long commitment to ensuring prepubescent teen hygiene #tredeaueulogies”

    “Abdul Artan, student, migrant, Muslim, will forever be remembered as a man who drove hard and slashed at adversity. #trudeaueulogies”

    “#trudeaueulogies “I’m saddened to hear of supreme leader of N Korea Kim Jong-il passing, he fought childhood obesity like no other””

    “While Emperor Nero made some mistakes, he still ensured that of streets of the great city of Rome had adequate lighting #trudeaueulogies”

    “”While a controversial figure, John WIlkes Boothe will be remembered as a lover of the theatre” #trudeaueulogies”

    “Today we bid farewell to Genghis Khan, the former Mongolian leader best known for opening new trade routes to China. #trudeaueulogies”

    “”While a controversial figure, Mr. Sandusky always made sure to drive slowly through school zones.” #trudeaueulogies”

    “It is with a heavy heart that we mourn the passing of Saddam Hussein. His advancements in chemical research live on. #trudeaueulogies”

    “Vito Corleone was larger than life and will be fondly remembered by everyone he helped on the day of his daughter’s wedding #TrudeauEulogies”

    “”While controversial, Darth Vader achieved great heights in space construction & played a formative role in his son’s life” #trudeaueulogies”

    “We mourn Freddy Krueger, who made dreams into reality, whose moral compass was guided by his love of the younger generation #TrudeauEulogies”

    “I extend my heartfelt sympathies to the family of The Joker, a revolutionary who always had a smile on his face. #trudeaueulogies”

    “Today we mourn the death of Jeffrey Dahmer, who opened his home to the LGBTQ community and pushed culinary boundaries. #trudeaueulogies”

    “A controversial figure, “Abdul Razak Ali Artan” will be remembered for his faith and his uncanny ability to find parking. #TrudeauEulogies”

    “Osama Bin Laden was certainly a controversial figure, but his contribution to airport security is unparalleled. #TrudeauEulogies”

    “Ted Bundy was a controversial man, but he will be remembered for his charisma and great love of women #trudeaueulogy”

    “Today we mourn the loss of Hannibal Lecter, a controversial figure but true gentleman who enjoyed having friends for dinner. #trudeaueulogy”

    “OJ Simpson’s surprising and unappreciated devotion to cutlery carved new swaths in marital history. #trudeaueulogy”

    “While controversial, Henry VIII loved all his wives equally, and was a purveyor of women’s rights. #trudeaueulogy #TrudeauEulogies”

    “Today we mourn the passing of Emperor Palpatine. Statesman, Senate, and magician at children’s birthdays. #trudeaueulogy”

    “While controversial, Hurricane Katrina revitalized construction in New Orleans. #trudeaueulogy”

    I could go on for days.

  6. I see a lot of claims, a lot of invective and a lot of division. Can we please reaffirm the saying attributed to Voltaire (falsely many believe).
    “I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.”?

    It seems that many people want publications shut down. They differ about which ones but the enthusiasm seems fairly widespread. Free speech is under threat as it never has been before in my memory at least. I had, this day, to give advice to a young lady youtuber who was being threatened intimidated for drawing a cartoon llama – in the cause of feminism.

    Compared to the crimes of open and unapologetic harassment on-line, taken in toto, these thoughts in print brought forward by isaac pale by comparison; non-sensical, untrue or provocatively stupid though they may arguably be.

    I would hope that Ethics Alarms, of all places, would be a bastion of the opposite virtues to the twin vices of uncharitableness to the arguments of an opponent and gullibility. But as I have said in the long ago times of 2 years ago – there is an attack on us. And it is being launched through the weak point that should be our strength – the freedom to say that “All sex is Rape” , “Hilary is nice” or whatever other unspeakable thought-crime we want to be click-baited by next. Tolerance and acceptance of the other guy’s viewpoint has all but vanished.

    We are under cyber attack, by Russia, Da’esh and even, arguably, by the PEOTUS. (Jack I’ve sent you the links before to the NATO file and New Statesman article).

    At this point I think it is important to remember the basics.

    • Voltaire isn’t relevant here, however. The site is about conduct, and rights only become relevant when they are misstated, denied, or interfered with. You have a right to behave irresponsibly and like a totalitarian asshole. You have a right to engage in race-baiting. You have a right to engage in obnoxious, pointless and resulting protests. You even have the right to tear at the fabric of society for spiteful, ignorant and cynical political motives, until it actually comes apart.

      The right doesn’t make such conduct any less wrong.

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