Comment Of The Day: “On Revenge, Tit-For-Tat And The Biden Presidency”

Donkey-vs-Elephant

I assumed today’s post about Republican revenge would generate some interesting comments. There aren’t many readers of the blog over Christmas week—odd, because one would think this would be a time to think about ethics—but to quote Spencer Tracy in “Pat and Mike,” “what there is, is cherce.”

Here is Steve Witherspoon’s Comment of the Day on the Post, “On Revenge, Tit-For-Tat And The Biden Presidency”:

Jack wrote…”The second most ethical course is now the only ethical course available, and that means that Republicans should give no quarter to Joe Biden, his agenda, and his allies. Not as revenge, mind you, but as the kind of tit-for-tat response that game theory teaches is sometimes the only way to enforce ethical norms.

In my opinion it’s not tit-for-tat, it’s a new precedence. Back on December the 4th, I wrote…

I think it’s really “interesting” how, after the political left didn’t get their way in the 2016 Presidential election, the political left started a new precedence on how a President of the United States and anyone that supports the President should be treated by the opposition and their lapdog media and they continued that precedence for four years straight and now the political left wants them and their President to be treated in a different way than the new precedence that they set? Transparent double standards and open hypocrisy are prominent character flaws of the political left in the 21st century. I’m not much for using a tit-for-tat rationalization myself; however, I’m not going to fault the political right too much for continuing the same Presidential treatment precedence that the political left started. The modern Democratic Party led by extremist progressives and the irrational and violent social justice henchmen they empowered, implemented an unending scorched earth policy against a President of the United States and his supporters for four straight years and those choices are coming back to roost on their pompous-ass heads and dig their talons straight into the foreheads of the political left; choices have consequences. As the rhetorical blood drips down the political left’s forehead they should be forced at every turn to remember that the political left made their bed and is now estopped* from complaining about being treated badly.”

The Democrats set this new precedence and that fact needs to be driven home and put in their face at every opportunity! It’s pretty clear that the political left was using the Golden Rule for four years and treating others the way they want to be treated. So as long as the anti-Biden, anti-Democratic Party, anti-progressive resistance, etc don’t start moving towards totalitarianism and anti-Constitutional behaviors I’m resolved that continuing the same precedence set over the last four years by the political left is exactly what should be done. The Democrats need to sleep in the bed they made. The Republicans need to be very open about the fact that they are giving the political left the treatment that they want (their Golden Rule treatment); they asked for it, they’re going to get it! The entire political left needs to learn a very, very hard lesson.

When the next presidential cycle comes around a big part of the Republican’s platform should be to cease & reverse the precedence that the Democrats started.

20 thoughts on “Comment Of The Day: “On Revenge, Tit-For-Tat And The Biden Presidency”

  1. “choices are coming back to roost on their pompous-ass heads and dig their talons straight into the foreheads of the political left”

    Well, if graphically, put; shades of Harry Reid’s 2013 Nuclear Option Rule Change.

    “If A Man Takes No Thought About What Is Distant, He Will Find Sorrow Near At Hand.” Confucius

  2. Thanks for the COTD Jack.

    I didn’t think it would be COTD worthy with my “they asked for it” rationalization that I tried to justify with the Golden Rule. 😉

    Jack wrote, “There aren’t many readers of the blog over Christmas week”

    I’ve been reading but not time to do much commenting over the last week and a half, my wife got a nasty virus, got COVID tested, quarantined for four days before the COVID test came back negative. She’s doing a LOT better now the virus is gone and I didn’t catch it, plus she’s recovering nicely from her double knee surgery, put the walker away, used a cane for a couple of weeks, and now walking without additional support now and she’s allowed to drive again. Life is getting back to our pre-surgery normal which was basically suck at home being bored stiff watching Hallmark and Lifetime Christmas movies, me I’m working on my motorcycle and cleaning the finish off my firearms.

  3. My ethical next step in approaching a Biden administration is to let the whole thing go.

    For too many years I was invested in “making the world a better place” from a progressive point of view. I beat the drum of race, sex, sexuality, etc. Eventually I burned out on the hypocrisy and false assertions. The anti-racists were the worst kind of racists and the utopians brought more dystopia.

    Then I became part of the backlash to the regressive left. I criticized it from the place of having been a part of it.

    After the majority of Senate Republicans voted for the cracked and jacked stimulus bill, I just can’t deal with that party anymore either.

    I’m not a Democrat or Republican. I’m a lady who for once would like to live my life and focus on what really matters. Right now that’s bareback horse riding.

    I’ve spent all of my adult life and even a few of my teen years entrenched is the politics of the now. Now it’s time to bow out gracefully. I’m willing to be told I’m part of the problem for not caring. It’s okay if I’m criticized for not wanting to get involved anymore.

    There are horses to ride, dogs to train, family to nurture, and my own serenity to cultivate. Tit for tat just doesn’t appeal to me. Living my own life, at long last, does.

    I may be commenting less here. Not because I don’t care about ethics. Everything I’ve learned here still applies to much of my life decisions. But now that I live in a beautiful community with opportunities to really just be a person, I’m going to take this opportunity and focus on my business and family.

    And ride like I mean it.

    Merry Christmas Steve, Jack, and all EA participants! May we all thrive in the New Year.

    • Mrs. Q, you have stated eloquently (as usual) something a friend and I (he more of a progressive and me more of a conservative) were discussing just yesterday, that there is far too much investment in politics for some who are not politicians, but ordinary citizens.
      [He’s also a Red Sox and a Patriots fan, while I see the Yankees and Bills as far more deserving of my loyalty, and yet, he and I get along very well.]
      Best wishes to you and yours for a very Merry Christmas, and all the best in the New Year.

  4. I don’t agree with Steve’s argument at all. To me, it looks like a rationalization that attempts to set aside the unethical rationalization of “they did it first.”
    Give the political left the treatment that they want? No, you are arguing they want what they have given. Not so. Maybe they deserve it, as you also argue, but you cannot claim they want what they have given.
    The Republican’s platform (4 years hence) should be to cease and reverse the precedence (precedent?, precedents?) that the Democrats started.
    What? Four years of continuous, sometimes irrational, sometimes personal, attacks on whatever the president does or tries to do, and then, claim that Republicans are the good guys, rational, high-minded, ready to unite the country? The media will cover attacks on Biden and his administration far differently than they covered attacks on the Trump administration, and they will (somewhat rightly) portray any attempt by the Republicans to make such a claim as rank hypocrisy.
    “They did it first” does not fly. There were irrational and overwrought attacks on the Obama administration from elements of the right throughout his eight years, and those were not a new facet of politics. “They did it first at this level” may be accurate, and tit-for-tat may work on a level playing field in game theory. But in the real world, you cannot enforce ethical norms, you can only demonstrate their value. Giving the Democrats what they deserve runs counter to that and is both a losing strategy and a rationalization.
    For the Republicans to claim in four years that they are ‘statesmen’ and ‘stateswomen’, they and their supporters must behave as such. It is not too soon to begin.

    • You’ve raised some great points and to my defense I acknowledged them, in fact after seeing that my comment got the comment of the day I wrote above that “I didn’t think it would be COTD worthy with my “they asked for it” rationalization that I tried to justify with the Golden Rule”. The precedence the political left set and the application of the Golden Rule justification were the basis of my argument, disagree with that if you like.

      The reality of politics is that the political left did in fact set a new precedence with their four year scorched earth tactics and who are you and I to say what precedence should or shouldn’t be continued, our individual opinions mean little in the great scheme of things.

      Are you going to hold it against the political right for continuing the four year precedence set by political left; I’m not and if that makes me a bad person then I’ll have to find some way to live with myself.

      • A little over four years ago, I wrote on social media that any party which can accept Trump as their presidential candidate has lost me. Like many others, I could not jump to the other major party, either, for reasons that were obvious to me. Were the right to adopt the tactics the left has used regularly over the past four years, yes, I would hold that against them. That would validate the tactics of the left and help institutionalize them. And, the right would become what they have said for four years they oppose.

        • Here’s Johnny wrote, “That would validate the tactics of the left and help institutionalize them.”

          The tactics have already been validated and institutionalized; the tactics gave the Democrats exactly what they wanted, Trump was effectively demonized regardless of his many accomplishments and the Democrats won the election. Be honest, what more proof of validation and institutionalization do you need, whether you or I like it or not a new precedence has been set.

  5. I have every expectation that once Biden is inaugurated the Democrats are going to be entertaining many of us with a perpetual clown show, the likes of which we haven’t seen since…the 2020 primaries. So many special interests. So many partisan agendas. So many world class egos. With Sleepy Joe as the ringmaster? To me, that doesn’t sound like a recipe for success. It will be a miracle if they get anything accomplished in 2021 and after that they’ll be posturing for the 2022 mid-term elections.

    A recent article in The Atlantic (written by a Brookings hanger-on) that discusses the ‘John Kerry problem’ hints at the current factional infighting and provides a foretaste of what is likely to come:

    The Risk of John Kerry Following His Own China Policy

    …Kerry is indefatigable, even monomaniacal, in everything he does. The stories of his boundless energy and his confidence in his own ability to bend history are notorious among former officials who served with him in Barack Obama’s administration. As secretary of state, he did not easily take direction from the White House and often went with his gut instinct on what was needed to advance his own policy priorities—then a Middle East peace process that most of his colleagues believed was doomed to fail. For instance, he repeatedly linked Egypt policy to the peace process in ways that contradicted the Obama administration’s position on the importance of democracy and human rights in that country.

    Kerry’s instinct could well be to hop on a plane on January 21 and fly to Beijing with a plea for the two countries to put climate at the centerpiece of their relationship. The Chinese will likely agree and in the subsequent months create the impression that a relaxation of tensions on other matters would be necessary if they are to deliver on their promises. Kerry, who sees all of these issues as linked, would then put himself at the heart of reconciling the conflicting goals and demand changes in U.S. policy to support his efforts….

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/risk-john-kerry-following-his-own-china-policy/617459/

    So I plan to enjoy life as a disciple of schadenfreude and enjoy watching my betters performing “The Resistance – Part Deux: The joys of self-inflicted failure”

              • I think that both she and the DNC believe she can do what they want in less time. And, she is too ambitious to wait that long.

                • Maybe so.

                  We’re all just pissin-in-the-wind with these kind of predictions with the exception of the culture shift that’s currently happening in the USA is likely going to be accelerated – the writing is on the wall for that prediction.

                  • I’m expecting the 2022 elections to make the 2010 elections look like a mild rebuke. Those a-holes may keep the White House for another two years but they won’t be able to do much with it. The main thing is to resist them at every turn for the next two years.

                    • From your lips to the electorate’s ears. 1994, 2010, even 2006 are great examples that at times Americans get so fed up with things that they actually do vote the bums out.

                      When you have an election like that, whatever gerrymandering that’s been done has a lot less impact.

                      The one thing that could really save the Democrats, I think, is Trump’s economy — but I think Biden is planning to do his best to throttle that as well.

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