Unethical Website of the Month: Dogsbite.Org

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This despicable website, created by phobics, liars, fools and bigots to promote dog breed prejudice and persecution of responsible dog owners, is discredited by the vast, vast  majority of dog experts, breeders, and people with any knowledge of dogs. It is useful in a way, in that its rhetoric mirrors that of the anti-Jewish, final solution advocates of the Nazi regime, and the most virulent American racists, like the KKK. (A dog breed is exactly like a human race.) It also apes the logical fallacies of those who want to ban guns or engage in racial profiling.

Although a mass of data and history proves that pit bull-related breeds are no more inherently dangerous than any powerful breed and arguably less, Dogsbite.Org is leading a vendetta against both the breeds and lawful, loving owners, reasoning that dogfighting uses pit bull-type breeds, and pit bulls used for fighting are more likely to be dangerous (as any dog so abused  may be), so to kill two birds with one stone, it makes sense to wipe out not just any individual dangerous dog of the type but any dog that is a hybrid of the a “pit bull breed” and any dog that looks like what people think is a “pit bull”, in part because there is no such breed as “pit bull.”

Thus because some “pit bulls” are abused, all should be exterminated.This is essentially the argument of the unethical people at PETA, which announced that it is supporting DogsBite.Org with the batty, but no more so than many of  their positions, argument that we need to destroy the dogs in order to save them. 

Pretending that there is some dog-monster known as a The Pit Bull  is just one of the lies (or examples of reckless ignorance)  perpetrated by hysteric    and her deadly band of anti-dogowner fanatics on their website. Denver’s infamous pit bull ban, like Lynn, defines the “breed” as “an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one of those breeds.” This rigged methodology renders the statistics repeatedly cited by anti-pit bull bigots obvious nonsense. When one compares one distinct breed to many or more by falsely representing them as one breed, then it’s not hard to show that the fake breed is disproportionately aggressive. Says the site: “If it looks like a pitbull, then it is one.” It is because of this kind of “thinking” that my American Bull Dog-owning friend is forced to buy exorbitant insurance,  move, or have his family’s gentle companion killed.

Except that his dog is not a member of any of the breeds fairly belonging into the category called “pit bulls,” which are all terrier mixes.  There is no terrier in a bull dog.  Never mind, though: this is about hysteria, fear-mongering,  legislators who care more about votes than they do about fairness or dogs, official ignorance, and cowardice. This is another of DogsBite’s abundant lies: it claims that most people can identify a pit bull accurately. Even most dog owners are lousy at identifying breeds, and phobics, as well as people who have no experience with dogs, often can’t identify any breeds beyond beagles, Lassie, German Shepherds and maybe chihuahuas.

More people asked me if my English Mastiff was a pit bull than ever identified her correctly. I’ve owned Jack Russell Terriers for 25 years, and more people have asked me if they were pit bulls (actually, they are a lot closer to pit bulls than a mastiff is, or an American bulldog) over that time than identified their ( wonderful, merry, loving and frighteningly smart) breed correctly. The tendency of journalists and police to mistakenly attribute attacks to pit bulls is well-documented, but the website just denies it. It also falsely claims that the American Kennel Club has tried to confuse the public by re-naming breeds in order to disguise what really are pit bulls. The AKC breeds lumped into the imaginary pit bull category all predate pit bull hysteria. When I was growing up, everyone was terrified of Doberman Pinschers (another loyal, intelligent, loving breed.)

The misguided, unfeeling, reveling in ignorance fools who man this website share responsibility for the pain and misery that thousands of families have had to experience when their loving pets and companions have been taken from them by a local government and gassed simply because killing them is part of the warped pit bull “final solution.” Dogsbite.Org deals in bad statistics, debunked fallacies and anti-dog propaganda that has turned into cruel legislation in communities all over the country. Their tactics succeed because craven political hacks would rather kill harmless pets than risk losing the votes of PETA members, dog breed ignoramuses and bigots.

I’ve written a lot on this topic. This isn’t even a close call on the facts. Most of all, you should view the heart-breaking documentary, Beyond the Myth.

If  friends start repeating the DogsBite lies, introduce them to an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire TerrierStaffordshire Bull Terrier, or any mixture thereof. I can take my Jack Russell to a dog park in Arlington, Virginia, where, on any nice day, between 10 and 30 of these terrific, playful, obedient dogs will be romping happily and harmlessly among other breeds, large and small, and young children. The key fact is that none of the owners are dogfighters, drug dealers or Michael Vick.

UPDATE: And then there’s this…


Sources: Huffington Post, Salon


Filed under Animals, Character, Ethics Alarms Award Nominee, Race, U.S. Society, Unethical Websites

205 responses to “Unethical Website of the Month: Dogsbite.Org

  1. Emily

    YES. I HATE THIS WEBSITE WITH A PASSION. It’s so incredible hateful and biased to the point of being untrue. They ignore ANY research or articles that disagree with their opinion that pit bulls are horrible creatures, and they ignore scientific evidence that is more recent and accurate than their old outdated information.

  2. John Parffrey

    Lipstick on a pig.
    No matter how you dress up your argument, the fact of the matter is these dogs/types of dogs/breeds are inherently dangerous. So much so, that the UK was wise and prudent enough to ban them. The Brits have no problem identifying them. Why cant you?
    In regards to ethics and morality, it is incumbent upon Pit owners to recognize the potential danger every one of those “lovable” dogs possess and protect the public from the danger.
    They WERE at one time nanny dogs, but many Pit owners have highjacked the breed for the menacing reputation it currently has.
    You argue the letter of the law, but you miss entirely the spirit of the law.
    So much of our social fabric is lost through “legalism”.

    • The fact of the matter is these dogs/types of dogs/breeds are inherently dangerous.

      Let me make a slight correction for you there. The fact is, they’re not. The fact is, you are an ignoramus, and are spouting off based on a comlete lack of knowledge and bigotry. Maybe stupidity too, it’s hard to tell. Probably.

      The breed was once suitable for babysitting, but magically isn’t because of…humans? Huh? This dovetails nicely into the question of the deterioration of the US education system. You’re an idiot. I’m sorry. That is, I’m sorry you’re an idiot, but your comment is proof.

    • joed68

      So, your proof that they’re inherently dangerous is that the Brits banned them?

      • John Parffrey

        The argument that I am a racist or a bigot is nonsense. Pits are a breed. Bred by humans, which are comprised of races of people. To put an animal on the level as a human is just kooky.
        If you want to protect the breed, why not breed out the dominant and agressive behavior.
        And what’s with the harness that is worn by so many pits, bulls, rotts, dobs, chows, etc., not to mention the menacing spiked collars, when owners “walk” these dogs?
        Obviously the owner can not control the animal, so the only safeguard between their dog and my flesh is the strength of the owner’s grip on the leash. Its intimidating, which is what owners get “off” about: Some sort of superiority complex or pyshological frustration that gets projected through the menacing animal, like the thrill someone gets when spooking another: Gotcha, Ha! Very funny.
        Juvenile to say the least.
        Ownig an animal like that is compensating for “something”, as the saying goes.
        So, lets just follow the NRA philosophy: What we need is more good guys with killer dogs to beat the bad guys with killer dogs.
        And oh yeah, not only are the Brits smart, but the armed forces of the good ‘ol USA have banned all aggressive breed dogs:
        03/16/09: Pet Policy Adopted for RCI Privatized Housing
        In January, the U.S. Army standardized its pet policy, banning breeds deemed “aggressive or potentially aggressive.” The breeds (and their mixes) include: pit bulls, American staffordshire terriers, bull terriers, rottweilers, doberman pinschers, chows, wolf hybrids and any others that display a dominant or aggressive behavior. The U.S. Army enacted the new policy to prevent pet owners from encountering uneven policies when moving between installations.
        If some kid gets ahold of a gun that doesn’t have a lock, and shoots himself or someone, the homeowner is held liable for that tragedy.
        Dog owners should have the same liability. The instances where dogs get out and maim or kill by “accident” is a convenient loophole for pet owner responsibility. Should a dog ever get out of a fenced area, off its leash; or a child ever get inside a fenced area, or within the radius of a leashed dog and the dog maims or kills the child, or a person or another animal, I propose placing the owner, unarmed, in a room with hungry junk yard dogs overnight until that owner learns his/her lesson.
        Then, upon being released the next morning, serve him/her papers for the lawsuit for 10 times the cost of damages, because surely the emotional scars from a dog attack far outlast the physical wounds even if they ever heal properly.
        Finally, I just don’t think a strong argument, or even a weak one and certainly even a viable argument could include resorting to name calling.

        • It’s nice that you are willing to display such utter ignorance for all to see. An idiot statement deserves the label “idiotic.” This isn’t name-calling. It is education.

          I’m not rehashing what has been well-documented, here and elsewhere. The short version: pit bull breeds are no more dangerous than any other large dog that has been similarly abused. Nobody, and that is nobody, who actually works with and knows these breeds regards them as vicious or dangerous. Your logic is self-debasing. I use a harness on my gentle Jack Russell Terrier. To you, that proves I think he’s deadly? wow. You use proof of ignorance, like with the military order, as validation of the ignorant belief! Incredible! Your complete confidence in falsity, with no experience whatsoever, is stunning.

          Dog owners who abuse dogs or whose dogs are not adequately contained have plenty of liability. This statement, however…

          I propose placing the owner, unarmed, in a room with hungry junk yard dogs overnight until that owner learns his/her lesson.

          ..marks YOU as vicious as well as a cretin. Well, continue being a breed bigot and phobic, and contributing to mindless fear of wonderful animals. It is far, I am sure, from the worst damage you will do.

        • joed68

          Hmm, must be a relatively new military policy. During my stint as an M.P. at NS Roosevelt Roads, PR., we had all kinds of “pits”, Rotties, Dobermanns of every sort living in on-base housing, and we had no problems over the course of 3 years.

  3. John Parffrey

    03/16/09: Pet Policy Adopted for RCI Privatized Housing
    In January, the U.S. Army standardized its pet policy, banning breeds deemed “aggressive or potentially aggressive.” The breeds (and their mixes) include: pit bulls, American staffordshire terriers, bull terriers, rottweilers, doberman pinschers, chows, wolf hybrids and any others that display a dominant or aggressive behavior.

    • Morons. This will also mean pitbull mixes, American bulldogs, and anything that vaguely resembles any of them. It was remarkable: in the Animal Planet’s “Puppy Bowl,” more than half the puppies involved were pibulls or pitbull mixes. The cutest ones too.

  4. NOTE: I just banned yet another comment about “no real facts.” The slander against the breeds on dogsbite.org are not merely fact free, for counterfactual. Most if not all of the posts on this topic can be found here, with copious facts that the entire educated canine-literate community including breeder and owners agree with 100%.

    I will continue to ban such comments, unless they find and post specific rebuttals to the data. Not statistics that lump multiple breeds together, and not individual anecdotes, and not bigotry or deliberate ignorance. As for insults, it is far shorter to write “you’re an idiot” than you’re an ignorant, breed-phobic hysteric who is enabling the killing of innocent animals because you are adopting an ugly position based on bad information and emotion.” And the short version is an accurate definition of the second.

  5. The banned anti-pitbull bigot John Parffrey—I hope I misspelled his name—offered as authority for his fact-free phobia an article from—-Dogsbite,com! You know, the adamantly dog-ignorant site this post was about.

    In 9 years, no commenter has ever been that desperate before.

    Or stupid.

    Normally, once a post starts attracting nothing but stubborn, logic-and- rationality=rejecting fools like this, I close the comments. But this is too much fun. And educational. It’s important to know the depths of vile ignorance in your culture, and this post attracts the inflicted like sugar attracts flies.

  6. joed68

    You once again cited the website that’s the subject of this post.
    Also, the first of many flaws readily evident in those “studies” is their reference to pit bulls. It’s not even a breed. On that basis alone, the studies are useless.

  7. Sandra

    It’s defenders of bull terriers that are misguided. In a week two incidents where pit bull types and Staffordshire’s have killed an elderly ladies pet and injured another as well as biting an owner and causing injury to a passer by. Then a Staffordshire has attacked a one year old child on a playground causing terrible injuries. Yet these breeds are defended.

    • Yes, they are defended because the breeds have nothing to do with it. You literally don’t know what you are talking about, but thanks: I was deciding whether to post on teh latest scientific debunking of propaganda like yours, and your ignorant comment settles it.

      • scolbydoo

        They’re not only defended, their mutilating attacks, even fatal ones are justified. Pit bull advocacy has pushed the limit on this dog breed’s alleged gentleness and it’s backfiring badly on them. They can’t control the reality of mass overpopulation and fatalities associated with this breed. They just don’t get it–people are sickened by the propaganda that has done nothing but push dangerous dogs into our communities.

        • You are ignorant, and this comment is an ignorance fest. They are not dangerous breeds; there is no such thing. It is not propaganda, it is biological fact.

        • Mrs. Read

          scolbydoo, many Pit lovers agree with you that over-population of Pit/mixes is a major problem, one that extends to many other dog “breeds.” Strictly-enforced spay/neuter and animal-treatment regulations would go a long way to preventing the (already extremely rare) tragedies you refer to, as well as eliminating a huge amount of animal suffering.

  8. Mrs. Read

    The proof that Blacks are natural-born killers is that O.J. killed two people. And you can tell that a person really is black just by looking at him. He has really curly hair. Or possibly wider lips. You don’t need any of that DNA or genealogy stuff because you can tell by looking. Just listen to the news and you’ll hear about some black guy committing a crime. Or getting killed by cops. As far as I’m concerned that proves it.

    • I get the irony and sarcasm, as well as the point. But a lot of readers will think you are serious.

      • Mrs. Read

        Most of the anti-Pit (and pro-Pit, for that matter) arguments I’ve encountered are instances of the inclusion fallacy – i.e. “My sister’s neighbor knows someone whose cousin’s baby was eaten (or saved from drowning) by a Pitbull.” My comment was intended as an illustration of the fact that the plural of anecdote is not data … with a little thrown in about the impracticality of using phenotype as a proxy for genotype. The disconnect is especially pronounced in regard to dog “breeds,” for reasons biological, historical and sociological.

  9. arlene clarke

    Thank you, Jack Marshall…..the voice of reason.

  10. Deb peavy

    Speaking from personal experience, I’ve seen what “sweet” pit bulls are capable of. The aggression of deleting what you don’t want to agree with is typical of the pit bull fanatic. There are plenty of news stories that document info on dogsbite.org. Here’s more:
    There are plenty of folks who have had terrible experiences and are going to disagree with you. They don’t need insults.

    • No, they need lessons in logic, statistics and research. Obviously, anyone who has bitten or attacked is not going to be rational or objective. And anyone who has been mugged by a black man is likely to be driven by the same human instincts. Just listing news stories of dog attacks—we know there are dog attacks, and dog attacks by dogs correctly identified as pit bull breeds or mixed–isn’t an argument, a rebuttal, or anything responsive to the post. The fact that you, or anyone else thinks it is just shows that you are aren’t reading and comprehending, that you want to fear what you want to fear and that’s that, facts don’t matter. Fine. But you are feeding bias and ignorance

  11. Miss Cellany

    It’s easy to identify a pit bull. The only “trouble” comes from confusion with RELATED breeds. Newsflash – this happens with EVERY breed. Put a picture of a border collie against an aussie, a rough collie, a Welsh sheepdog, a mcnab and a Koolie and loads of people are going to mix them up and call most or all of them border collies (because it’s the most common out of the bunch). It doesn’t really matter if they do, because behaviour across these related breeds is very similar (since they are related and used for the same purposes). Even with hundreds or thousands of people getting confused between aussie and BCs we still don’t have the number of fatal dog attacks attributed to collie types that pit bull types have.

  12. Circe

    So you bitch because you don’t like the fact that most of the dogs featured on this site are pit bulls?
    Most post are accompanied by independent news articles.
    Sorry you don’t like the truth but pit bulls are dangerous.
    Maybe it’s bad owners but it doesn’t change the fact that they maim and kill more people every year than any other breed.
    This is why people want them outlawed.
    Or you know, make people take classes and train their animals correctly so they are not a menace to society.

    • This is a useful comment, as it encapsulates the typical reasoning skills of the anti-pit bull hysterics and bigots on that site.

      1. No, you moron, I am pointing out that the site doesn’t know what a pitbull is.
      2. Most posts are accompanied by news articles that often misidentify the dogs, and are written by ignoramuses. Sloppy reporting is a lot of the problem.
      3. Later, you write that it’s the owners. The science is absolutely clear: no dog breed is more”dangerous” than any other regarding temperament. Big dogs can hurt you more than small dogs. A pit bull breed is no more dangerous than a Rotty, a German shepherd or a Saint Bernard.
      4. “They” are five to 10 breeds and mixes dog bigots call “pitbulls”. As the posts states. You didn’t read the post.
      5. By your silly logic we should ban fast cars because bad drivers make them dangerous.
      6. Any untrained dog is potentially dangerous, just like badly raised kids are dangerous.

      Again, thanks for providing a classic example of the type of ignorant blathering by people who know nothing about dogs, pit bull breeds, statistics or reality.

  13. Nelda Iozzino

    Jack Marshall is the moron. Clearly, he understands statistics, as do I. I do know I am more likely to die in an automobile accident than in my own yard, except for one thing: my neighbor’s stupid fucking dog. Actually, it’s my stupid fucking neighbor’s two dogs. Ouch! Did I call my neighbor fucking stupid? Maybe. I now have three reasons to die in my own yard….Whatever! None of them, including the owner, is a pit-bull, though all three are untrained. I do know that about 30 to 35 people die each year, and about 500,00 people (mostly children) go to emergency rooms each year from dog bites. I don’t care about the breed. I just want my neighbor to keep his dogs in his yard and away from me and my grandkids. I want people like Jack Marshall to quit defending dog breeds. Whereas, statistics don’t lie, he did acknowledge that owners need to be responsible and keep their pets within the confines of their own yard. Including my chickens, which I will let out, and keep in my own yard, as soon as my neighbor keeps his dogs in.
    Jack Marshall is an idiot masquerading as a savant. Don’t let him bring you down, Circe

  14. And DBO, famous for making any attack a pit bull attack has done it already this year. On July 11 Vinson Tucker was killed by a pack of dogs. No source anywhere at all describes a pit bull being involved (even DBO’s own sourced and cited data), police did not release the breeds involved, but DBO lists it as a pit bull attack because a Facebook post said the guy who owned some of the dogs happened to have a pit bull.

    But they aren’t making up things as they go along at all.

  15. Sad there are people who hate victims and what has been done to victims. There’s a special place in hell for those humans who lack compassion and sympathy.

    • What an extraordinarily facile and useless comment.

      • Useless comment to you because you don’t know better. Discredited you say? LOL, not hardly. In all but 2 states over the past 4 years, DBO has managed to get anti-BSL legislation tabled. And let’s not forget the vote by the people in Miami and Aurora to keep their ban, plus Springfield Mo this week, and any role that DBO played in that. DBO tells the truth, people know it and now DBO is knocking off the big money of the pitters. LOL, yep right, facile and useless, not quite.

        • You know, Harve, the fact that ignorant people panicked by disinformation and fear-mongering by dog-dolts like you does not have any evidentiary value regarding reality at all. Your theory would hold that as long as a majority of people believe the world is flat, it is. DBO is a repository of lies, phobia and stupidity, and there isn’t a dog-breeder, zoologist or geneticist that would endorse any of it. Your comment is res ipsa loquitur for bigotry. And you’ve used up your dummy allowance. Next post that uses fallacies like this one gets you dinged. Life’s too short to waste time on dog-killers.

  16. Anna

    Your name and face is subject of jokes on facebook pages.. You can ban everyone of us, but you”ll be laughed and teased as you deserve! 😂😂😂

    • That was better—glad you’re learning to proof-read. Yes, those who are ignorant about basic logic and values seem to take being exposed badly. Those are real classy sites. They do not cause me to lose a wink of sleep, and their dearth of intelligence and integrity are laughably obvious. Read the Comment policies: I only ban trolls, racists, and fools.

      You are banned, of course.

  17. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pit-bull-ban-toronto-dog-bites_us_56c8cd2ce4b0928f5a6c218e
    Breed specific bans do nothing to stop dog bites because the same idiots who USED to get the “banned breed” just go out and get a different breed. They STILL don’t bother to socialize or train their dogs. They still beat and abuse their dogs and THEN you have the NEW dog acting just like the breed that’s been banned.
    There is NOTHING WRONG WITH PITBULLS and Pitbull attacks do not even signify in the statistical TOP KILLERS OF CHILDREN!
    The top killers are car, drowning, burns, falling down and poisonings.
    So.. of the top five killers of kids? Cars are at the top so LET’S BAN CARS, right? No. That’s ridiculous.
    Ok, that won’t work SO let’s make it ILLEGAL for children to ride in cars, right? No, that’s stupid too.
    Banning Pitbulls because of an isolated Pitbull attack is like outlawing cars because car accidents kill 1600 children annually.
    If you ask me, we need better educated dog owners, PERIOD.
    If you ask me, we should make dog socialization and training mandatory (like rabies shots).
    BUT we should NOT outlaw breeds of dog. It doesn’t work because the idiots who made a dog vicious dog before, just get another breed of dog and make the new dog vicious.
    Not damning an entire breed.
    This is the idiocy that ran the United States when wolves and numerous other species were made extinct and it’s ILLOGICAL AND STUPID!
    Look at the people on here pushing for breed specific legislation! They pull out an isolated incident (usually with a child involved) and start screaming, “the children! the children!”
    The FACT is pitbull haters, IT’S NOT ABOUT THE BREED! It’s about a BAD OWNERS!
    FACT: The “children” won’t be safe until the people who are bad dog owners are stopped from owning dogs and the way to do that is to push for stricter dog ownership laws.
    Someone wants to own a dog? Great but they have to have their dogs vaccinated and TRAINED AND SOCIALIZED. If they can’t do that? Then they don’t get to own a dog.
    This is what we do with cars, btw. You have to LEARN TO DRIVE, right?
    Same with dogs.
    My two cents.
    PS That doesn’t mean the person can’t socialize and train their dog at home either. It means there should be a test (like the test we give for people to drive only the OWNER AND THE DOG come in and take it together).

  18. It’s interesting, how this post not only still generates comments, but that those comments seem to come in bursts of several individuals…almost like a “raid”.

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