This despicable website, created by phobics, liars, fools and bigots to promote dog breed prejudice and persecution of responsible dog owners, is discredited by the vast, vast majority of dog experts, breeders, and people with any knowledge of dogs. It is useful in a way, in that its rhetoric mirrors that of the anti-Jewish, final solution advocates of the Nazi regime, and the most virulent American racists, like the KKK. (A dog breed is exactly like a human race.) It also apes the logical fallacies of those who want to ban guns or engage in racial profiling.
Although a mass of data and history proves that pit bull-related breeds are no more inherently dangerous than any powerful breed and arguably less, Dogsbite.Org is leading a vendetta against both the breeds and lawful, loving owners, reasoning that dogfighting uses pit bull-type breeds, and pit bulls used for fighting are more likely to be dangerous (as any dog so abused may be), so to kill two birds with one stone, it makes sense to wipe out not just any individual dangerous dog of the type but any dog that is a hybrid of the a “pit bull breed” and any dog that looks like what people think is a “pit bull”, in part because there is no such breed as “pit bull.”
Thus because some “pit bulls” are abused, all should be exterminated.This is essentially the argument of the unethical people at PETA, which announced that it is supporting DogsBite.Org with the batty, but no more so than many of their positions, argument that we need to destroy the dogs in order to save them.
Pretending that there is some dog-monster known as a The Pit Bull is just one of the lies (or examples of reckless ignorance) perpetrated by hysteric and her deadly band of anti-dogowner fanatics on their website. Denver’s infamous pit bull ban, like Lynn, defines the “breed” as “an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one of those breeds.” This rigged methodology renders the statistics repeatedly cited by anti-pit bull bigots obvious nonsense. When one compares one distinct breed to many or more by falsely representing them as one breed, then it’s not hard to show that the fake breed is disproportionately aggressive. Says the site: “If it looks like a pitbull, then it is one.” It is because of this kind of “thinking” that my American Bull Dog-owning friend is forced to buy exorbitant insurance, move, or have his family’s gentle companion killed.
Except that his dog is not a member of any of the breeds fairly belonging into the category called “pit bulls,” which are all terrier mixes. There is no terrier in a bull dog. Never mind, though: this is about hysteria, fear-mongering, legislators who care more about votes than they do about fairness or dogs, official ignorance, and cowardice. This is another of DogsBite’s abundant lies: it claims that most people can identify a pit bull accurately. Even most dog owners are lousy at identifying breeds, and phobics, as well as people who have no experience with dogs, often can’t identify any breeds beyond beagles, Lassie, German Shepherds and maybe chihuahuas.
More people asked me if my English Mastiff was a pit bull than ever identified her correctly. I’ve owned Jack Russell Terriers for 25 years, and more people have asked me if they were pit bulls (actually, they are a lot closer to pit bulls than a mastiff is, or an American bulldog) over that time than identified their ( wonderful, merry, loving and frighteningly smart) breed correctly. The tendency of journalists and police to mistakenly attribute attacks to pit bulls is well-documented, but the website just denies it. It also falsely claims that the American Kennel Club has tried to confuse the public by re-naming breeds in order to disguise what really are pit bulls. The AKC breeds lumped into the imaginary pit bull category all predate pit bull hysteria. When I was growing up, everyone was terrified of Doberman Pinschers (another loyal, intelligent, loving breed.)
The misguided, unfeeling, reveling in ignorance fools who man this website share responsibility for the pain and misery that thousands of families have had to experience when their loving pets and companions have been taken from them by a local government and gassed simply because killing them is part of the warped pit bull “final solution.” Dogsbite.Org deals in bad statistics, debunked fallacies and anti-dog propaganda that has turned into cruel legislation in communities all over the country. Their tactics succeed because craven political hacks would rather kill harmless pets than risk losing the votes of PETA members, dog breed ignoramuses and bigots.
I’ve written a lot on this topic. This isn’t even a close call on the facts. Most of all, you should view the heart-breaking documentary, Beyond the Myth.
If friends start repeating the DogsBite lies, introduce them to an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any mixture thereof. I can take my Jack Russell to a dog park in Arlington, Virginia, where, on any nice day, between 10 and 30 of these terrific, playful, obedient dogs will be romping happily and harmlessly among other breeds, large and small, and young children. The key fact is that none of the owners are dogfighters, drug dealers or Michael Vick.
UPDATE 1: And then there’s this…
UPDATE 2(1/13/18):
In the future, comments to this post that consist of nothing but repeating the same, disproven myths and ignorant beliefs about the various pit bull breeds will not get through moderation. Any serious, well-researched, civil comments presenting counter arguments and genuine statistics to the facts and expert opinion discussed in these posts are welcome. Citing dogsbite.org as authority will guarantee rejection. Lumping multiple breeds together as “pit bulls” proves laziness, bias and ignorance, and will also result in the comment being spammed. Dumb arguments like “You can’t prove they aren’t pit bulls!” will have the same results.
It is depressing how many people will hold on to a factually unsupportable bias despite every effort to enlighten them, but then prejudice against humans works the same way.
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Sources: Huffington Post, Salon
Ethics Alarms 
How unethical is this to use a Pit Bull advocacy rag as a source of data to promote myths and fallacies? Did you even try to gather even one fact? Just one from a non breed biased source or from dog experts that disagree 1000% with HuffPo’s blather?
There is no dispute among experts that abused dogs and those trained to be aggressive are dangerous, and there is no dispute among experts that the various bully breeds are no more or less prone to violence than any other breed. These breeds are the ones most frequently abused, thus they are the source of more attacks. You understand neither dogs, nor breeding, nor statistics. A breed used as a baby-sitting animal doesn’t magically become a killer breed. The breeds are the same; the owners are different.
It’s fascinating to speculate on what other counter-factual and disastrous policies people who think like you support. Also frightening.
Not true, abused dogs are not more likely to be dangerous! Where do you get your info? After spending 15 years in animal medicine most of the aggressive dogs I’d seen were that way due to the incapability of their owners to be strong pack leaders, to give their dog boundaries, to exercise their dog, to socialize them appropriately. And ones that I’d seen that had truly been abused, that I had known for a fact were being abused were generally either skittish or were overly sweet.
I get my info from dog breeders and trainers. Abused dogs are distrustful and defensive, and take careful rehabilitation. Often they are abused specifically to make them dangerous. Dogfighting is abuse. I have no idea what you think you’re talking about. This is well known.
one thing jenna is right about there skiddish but if u try to pick them up or do anything that stress them they will bite out of fear so jenna they r fear aggressive
Nope. Just dog-libel. AKC tests show that the pitbull breeds are unusually calm.
Try to at least try to write grammatically, will you? This isn’t Twitter.
Jenna, can’t not being exercised and/or socialized be considered a low-level of abuse? Can abuse not take forms other than physical?
The following is a REAL dog bite study, unlike the bogus and inaccurate data promoted by Coleen Lynn at dogbites.org. The conclusion of this science based study (not a conclusion based on the foamer’s wishful thinking) demonstrates that breed is not a contributing factor in dog bite fatalities, and breed specific legislation is not the solution for eliminating dog bite fatalities.
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association
Co-occurrence of potentially preventable factors in 256 dog bite–related fatalities in the United States (2000–2009
Objective—To examine potentially preventable factors in human dog bite–related fatalities (DBRFs) on the basis of data from sources that were more complete, verifiable, and accurate than media reports used in previous studies.
Design—Prospective case series.
Sample—256 DBRFs occurring in the United States from 2000 to 2009.
Procedures—DBRFs were identified from media reports and detailed histories were compiled on the basis of reports from homicide detectives, animal control reports, and interviews with investigators for coding and descriptive analysis.
Results—Major co-occurrent factors for the 256 DBRFs included absence of an able-bodied person to intervene (n = 223 [87.1%]), incidental or no familiar relationship of victims with dogs (218 [85.2%]), owner failure to neuter dogs (216 [84.4%]), compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs (198 [77.4%]), dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interactions versus family dogs (195 [76.2%]), owners’ prior mismanagement of dogs (96 [37.5%]), and owners’ history of abuse or neglect of dogs (54 [21.1%]). Four or more of these factors co-occurred in 206 (80.5%) deaths. For 401 dogs described in various media accounts, reported breed differed for 124 (30.9%); for 346 dogs with both media and animal control breed reports, breed differed for 139 (40.2%). Valid breed determination was possible for only 45 (17.6%) DBRFs; 20 breeds, including 2 known mixes, were identified.
Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Most DBRFs were characterized by coincident, preventable factors; breed was not one of these. Study results supported previous recommendations for multifactorial approaches, instead of single-factor solutions such as breed-specific legislation, for dog bite prevention.
Thanks The bull breed hysterics don’t care about real facts, of course, but the more thinking people learn, the sooner the breed specific bans will be seen as the cruel bigotry they are.
Excellent. Hard to believe that some people think that Colleen Lynn (who has no training in anything she’s purporting to do) trumps the AVMA. Oh, right! It’s a huge conspiracy! I forgot — the AVMA is in it with the pit bull owners. Ridiculous.
[26 cheery-picked news items about fatal dog attacks by alleged pitbulls]
I wasn’t sure what to do with this dumb comment. I initially trashed it, then relented. It consisted of no argument, just a long list of summarized news stories from 2015 about fatal dog attacks attributed to “pit bulls,” which as I have documented thoroughly, is a general label often based on a non-reliable source’s guess that what looked like a pitbull to them was in fact a pitbull breed. That’s isn’t even what was primarily wrong with the assumptions behind the post, which the commenter seems to think “proved” pit bull breeds are more dangerous than other dogs, res ipsa loquitur. There is no evidence that the breeds themselves are any more dangerous than similarly sized dogs, if they are not abused, properly socialized, and responsibly owned. There is also no evidence that any other breed, similarly abused and mishandled, aren’t exactly as likely to bite or attack as pitbulls breeds. Almost all the examples this blogger cited involved dogs running loose (irresponsible ownership) or children ( irresponsible parenting AND ownership). I once saw a husky grab a toddler by the throat after the kid poked the dog, which was regarded as safe, loving pet (and huskies are easy-going) in the eye. Fault: parents/ owner. Not the dog. If kids aren’t taught how to interact with dogs, they shouldn’t be left unsupervised with them.
The ignorant dog bigots who post lists like this are the exact equivalent of people who pull lists of black on white crime out of the paper and say it proves that blacks are intrinsically violent and inclined to crime. Exactly. There is no distinction.
You called them right. Ignorant dog bigots. These people probably have little to no experience around dogs in general. Their irrational fear of what they don’t know is sickening and the figures they show are misleading and barely have enough sources.
These people don’t even know what dog breeds Pit Bulls are and would just randomly point a blocky beaded dog as one which is problematic because not all blocky headed dogs are Pit Bulls. Aside from that media reports are often flawed and based on silly assumptions that a dog who killed a person is a Pit Bull just because of its blocky head.
Though I find it funny when they call Pit Bulls fighting breeds– goes to show how little they know about Pit Bulls.
Of course, and tragically, you are right. I will never forget the time Dickens, my late, lamented, diabolically clever and child-loving Jack Russell Terrier, was a tiny puppy and playing in the park with me, when a mother and her four-year old strolled by about 30 yards away. Dickens happily, tail shivering, gamboled towards the little boy, and his mother scooped him up in her arms and started screaming “AHHHHHH! It’s a pit pull! Help!” (Jacks have bulldogs in them and are essentially mini-pit bulls with a littel beagle thrown in.)
I picked up my dog, held him about a foot away from her face and said, “You are an idiot! This is a puppy, you moron. It’s not a pit bull, either, but even if it were, you and your kid would be at worst be in danger of being licked. You’re an ignorant phobic, and you will make your child just like you: terrified of dogs and too ill-informed about them to know the difference between a happy, adjusted animal that wants to play and love him and real danger, which with dogs is seldom and usually the owner’s fault or yours. You should be ashamed of yourself.” And I let the little boy pat my dog.
Yep, and if you’re going to claim that a history of being a fighting breed is important, I guess you should ban little Boston Terriers, too.
As an older lady I could probably kick or fight off a
Boston Terrier but come on you cant compare a terrier to a larger pitbull, rottweiler etc.
They don’t care if a pit bull maims or kills you or your pet…they just want to satisfy their addictive need to own a fighting/gripping breed dog.
There is no such thing as a “fighting/gripping breed”…just keep mouthing that ignorant dog-racism, though.
What an idiot.
Actually Mary Ann, the dogs who are scientifically proven to be biters and grabbers are the herding breeds. Just saying. Check through your own little articles your little DBO blogger group refers to, you will find it in there as I did…if you take the time to actually read them.
German shepherd, golden retriever, cow, elephant…if simply being bigger than a bread box is the issue, why not ban any breed you can’t fit in one? Actually, a Boston bull could sneak up om you while you sleep and rip out your throat…so could a Yorkie.
The thread that refuses to die…
Because ignorance and mindless, destructive hate are immortal.
Dog bite “statistics” are based off of media reports found online where pit bull type attacks are proven to be reported thousands of times more often than dog bite stories involving other breeds. Hardly a scientific, objective, or accurate way to collect information and in fact, there is a proven bias and over reporting when it comes to dogs labeled as pit bulls.
Americans killed by dogs over the last 5 years ~ 2011 to 2015 (so far). All deaths, all breeds.
* 2011 – 22 killed by Pit Bulls; 9 by all other breeds combined (31 total)
* 2012 – 23 killed by Pit Bulls; 16 by all other breeds combined (39 total)
* 2013 – 25 killed by Pit Bulls; 7 by all other breeds combined (32 total)
* 2014 – 27 killed by Pit Bulls; 15 by all other breeds combined (42 total)
* 2015 – 22/23 killed by Pit Bulls; 7/6 by all other breeds combined (29 so far)
(victim 22 killed by 1 or more of THREE dogs on site, 1 of which was a Pit Bull – the others were a German Shepherd Mix & a Golden Retriever Mix).
Updated 16th November, 2015
2015 – all victims, all dog breeds and types, to date above.
Toll for 2015 from dog attacks so far – 29 Americans.
** INDICATES FAMILY PET DOGS THAT KILLED A PERSON WITHIN THEIR OWN FAMILY
So you don’t know how to read, then? This was all addressed, the facts are clear, and you are quoting propaganda. If you want to believe cooked statistics, go ahead.
Fact is, these card-carrying members of the Flat Earth Society are beyond reason.
If it has four legs it is a ‘pit bull’. Media hype and unqualified anecdotal evidence as to breed based upon subjective opinion is good enough for these people’s hysterical witch hunt.
Harsh, but in my experience, fair and accurate.
Somebody call the CDC! It’s an epidemic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUB6aexYwzs
The following is a REAL dog bite study, unlike the bogus and inaccurate data promoted by Coleen Lynn at dogbites.org. The conclusion of this science based study (not a conclusion based on the foamer’s wishful thinking) demonstrates that breed is not a contributing factor in dog bite fatalities, and breed specific legislation is not the solution for eliminating dog bite fatalities.
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association
Co-occurrence of potentially preventable factors in 256 dog bite–related fatalities in the United States (2000–2009
Objective—To examine potentially preventable factors in human dog bite–related fatalities (DBRFs) on the basis of data from sources that were more complete, verifiable, and accurate than media reports used in previous studies.
Design—Prospective case series.
Sample—256 DBRFs occurring in the United States from 2000 to 2009.
Procedures—DBRFs were identified from media reports and detailed histories were compiled on the basis of reports from homicide detectives, animal control reports, and interviews with investigators for coding and descriptive analysis.
Results—Major co-occurrent factors for the 256 DBRFs included absence of an able-bodied person to intervene (n = 223 [87.1%]), incidental or no familiar relationship of victims with dogs (218 [85.2%]), owner failure to neuter dogs (216 [84.4%]), compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs (198 [77.4%]), dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interactions versus family dogs (195 [76.2%]), owners’ prior mismanagement of dogs (96 [37.5%]), and owners’ history of abuse or neglect of dogs (54 [21.1%]). Four or more of these factors co-occurred in 206 (80.5%) deaths. For 401 dogs described in various media accounts, reported breed differed for 124 (30.9%); for 346 dogs with both media and animal control breed reports, breed differed for 139 (40.2%). Valid breed determination was possible for only 45 (17.6%) DBRFs; 20 breeds, including 2 known mixes, were identified.
Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Most DBRFs were characterized by coincident, preventable factors; breed was not one of these. Study results supported previous recommendations for multifactorial approaches, instead of single-factor solutions such as breed-specific legislation, for dog bite prevention.
Jane, Jane, Jane…you are quoting the debunked junk of the weird uneducated hippy with no expertise in science, animals or data collection. You should read the Canadian Ombudsman’s report after reviewing the junk your weird hippy spewed…let us just be straight here – he called him a liar (but in prettier words of course, because Canadians are kind). November 22, 2016. Check it out…it pretty much sums up how your little blog group is perceived, and is completely justified. If you post junk, you get busted…and so he did.
What is unethical about posting links to news stories about dog attacks?
It’s misleading, that’s what’s unethical about it. If you post links to all dog bite stories, that’s one thing. Linking to cherry picked pit-bill stories only, many of which wrongly identify the dogs involved, purport to prove something and don’t. It’s like only posting black crime stories.
It’s misleading to have people believe a fighting breed dog makes a “good pet”.
Is this really the quality of your thought processes? There is no such thing as a “fighting breed.” There are breeds people choose to use for fighting, and abuse accordingly. Using them for fighting can permanently change an individual dog. It does not change the breed one whit.
Learn some biology. Learn some genetics. Learn some common sense. Learn some logic.
Christ.
We love pit bulls. They like to play “tug,” while our collie likes to dash about the yard and will not play tug. Certain dogs have certain characteristics.
We would not leave one of our pit bulls alone with a toddler. Their chubby arms are too similar to the things on which pit bulls like to tug. When the toddler pulls away, the pit bull is too likely to think it is a game of tug. The pit bull can be all full of love without a thought of doing any harm at all.
We had one pit bull border collie mix. If she had inherited the pit bull tug trait with the “bossiness” of a border collie, she could have been a disaster. We lucked out; she never played tug, and although she was a tad officious, she didn’t nip either.
A loving pit bull, who likes to play tug, can make a serious mistake with a toddler. It is the duty of the owner to protect small children and the pit bull from making that mistake.
This is so sensible I can almost forget the indigestion the wave of mindless anti-pit bull propaganda sicced on me yesterday. Thanks.
I see the point you’re trying to make, however.
I have two pit bulls, they’re my 2nd and 3rd of the breed. They like to tug, they are also VERY cautious about hurting people, they have accidentally pinched my finger and I winced and they react in concern. They are also trained to drop it on command, and to wait for permission before they play with something. I could drop a steak in my house and they would both look up at me for permission before moving a muscle.
You’ll find that in most pit bull attack stories (when you dig a little deeper) there’s always something. The dog(s) were not trained, not socialized, left in a back yard all the time, constantly bred.
There’s more to this than breed.
Another misinformed uneducated on dog breed commentators that offers a useless opinion without any basis in fact.
Gbar, It is misleading to try to lead people to believe that there is any actual foundation for your statement above. The peer reviewed science and experts all conclude the same thing…BSL does not work. The peer reviewed science also confirms, unequivocally, that there is no link between breed and aggression….so, maybe you should get past the already debunked weird uneducated hippy’s junk and take a look at the science and expert opinions….you know, those people who have real credentials and do not get their airy fairy figures off of social media.
No “cherry picking” is involved, pit stories are far more numerous so naturally there are move available. It is sad that you have an emotional attachment to a dangerous breed that clouds your judgement.
I have no emotional attachment, and your comment indicates that you neither read the post thoroughly nor have a clue what you are talking about. Talking about “pits” is like talking about “white dogs” or “darker people.” Those news stories are unbalanced by wrongly identified dog breeds, and you fool, there is no such thing as a “dangerous breed.” Dogs are dogs, some are bigger than others, and absent illness or mistreatment, no dog is dangerous. That’s a fact. All you are doing is proclaiming ignorance while humming with your fingers in your ears. Shape up.
lol, I love your childish ranting. You have proven how poorly your ethics work. You disagree with a reasoned conclusion and you rant on about ethics…
According to case law, an “individual of ordinary intelligence” can identify a pit bull. Identifying pit bull type dogs;
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1496137140642653899&q
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=8956919589633806808&
Clearly you do have an emotional and unethical attachment to the breed that you claim does not exist. If pit bulls do not exist, don’t waste your time defending them.
Comparing breeds of dogs to people is comical. People are not selectively bred to perform specific tasks as dogs are. How many pit bulls are selected to run in the Iditarod? Why?
You really are an idiot, aren’t you? I am comparing bigoted reasoning that applies to both people and dogs. There is no breed called ‘pit bulls’—that’s a fact. You acknowledge it by saying “pit bull type dogs” which is meaningless. That means “dogs that look like dogs people call pitbulls, whether they are the same breed or not.”
You really are about 12 aren’t you. You just can stand someone taking down your ethics charade. You have no facts so your lack of ethics takes you straight to the gutter. since you don’t believe pit bull type dogs exist, why do you waste time defending them?
Again, you’re an idiot, as your last sentence proves beyond any doubt. The posts about pitbulls on this site include more facts than your tiny, bigoted, ignorant mind can handle, or, apparently, read. I need not appeal to authority either (you are appealing to fear and ignorance, which is worse.) I have interview vets, I have interacted with the dogs, I have read the news stories, and most useful of all, I have exchanged views with morons like you, which is typical of the breed bigots.
You’re banned now…it’s useful to have a few vocal pitbull haters on the thread because it makes the case against them and for the mistreated breeds, but you’ve outlived your usefulness. Go pick on a species your own size,
Again, you’re an idiot, as your last sentence proves beyond any doubt. The posts about pitbulls on this site include more facts than your tiny, bigoted, ignorant mind can handle, or, apparently, read. I need not appeal to authority either (you are appealing to fear and ignorance, which is worse.) I have interview vets, I have interacted with the dogs, I have read the news stories, and most useful of all, I have exchanged views with morons like you, which is typical of the breed bigots.
You’re banned now…it’s useful to have a few vocal pitbull haters on the thread because it makes the case against them and for the mistreated breeds, but you’ve outlived your usefulness. Go pick on a species your own size,
I am on the fence with this issue, but reading you calling people names and listening to you argue with virtually no facts or statistics and with an over abundance of emotion hurts your side of the debate. It just makes you seem like some SJW hack.
Huh? The posts on this subject are full of facts, as are the links. If you are too lazy to check the links, don’t blame me. here, let me help you out: see this sentence, which is pretty clear to anyone bothering to pay attention before registering an insulting and factually incorrect accusation?
I’ve written a lot on this topic. This isn’t even a close call on the facts. Most of all, you should view the heart-breaking documentary, Beyond the Myth
See the links there? They are underlined. Ever read a blog before? Know what “I’ve written a lot on this topic” means? The link goes to a documentary..Know what those are? They also contain facts.
And I deal in fair diagnosis, not ‘name-calling.” Someone who gets dogs killed because of ignorant bias is an ignorant bigot, and candor compels calling them that. NOTHING on this blog suggests that I’m a SJW hack, or anything else remotely related to it. So you can’t read, don’t read, or make insulting accusations without knowing what the hell you’re talking about. My diagnosis: you’re a jerk. Why should I have to put up with clowns who accuse me of not doing what I very carefully make sure I in fact do?
And there is no “fence” to be on. It is like being “on the fence” about whether civil rights are a good idea. Nobody who knows anything about dogs will agree that the pit bull breeds are inherently dangerous or vicious. It is a per se ignorant position.
Let us look at what the court actually said, shall we nokjf? The Iowa Supreme Court in American Dog Owners Association, Inc. v. City of Des Moines, 469 N.W.2d 416 (Iowa 1991) said at 417 the words “pit hulls, pit bull dogs or pit bull terriers” was fatally vague. The Court stated such language “does leave the reader of ordinary intelligence confused about the breadth of the ordinance’s coverage. Morever, this language also give improperly broad discretion to enforcement personnel, who are free to make the ‘ad hoc’ and subject determinations condemned by Grayned.”
Grayned refers to Grayned v. City of Rockford, 408 U.S. 104 (1972). You see the references to precedents in there at all there nokjf? The court has repeatedly said that a dog’s breed cannot be determined by “a person of ordinary intelligence”, and to be completely honest in this discussion – you have not even come close to reaching the bar of “a person of ordinary intelligence” yet. Thank you for providing me with the opportunity to share the actual case law on the subject matter – as opposed to the junk you spout.
nokjf – it appears that the Canadian Ombudsman who debunked your weird uneducated hippy’s junk (basically called his figures airy and fairy but in a more business like manner) disagrees with you, oh and so does the science and so do the experts….so people can go with the weird uneducated hippy with absolutely no expertise in science, animals or data collection and who wrote an entire article about the big bad racist pit bulls, or they can go with the science, experts and disregard your blather above. Kind of rhetorical since the DBO blogger group is, what, 12 people with 4 different accounts each? LOL
Why look! A Rottweiler killed someone. Must be a pitbull! Kill them all!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12005255/Animal-lover-killed-by-dog-he-had-adopted-just-hours-earlier.html
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/
This is the most wonderful website that actually helps educate people on canine body language as well as it investigates all fatal canine attacks. Also check out the book The Pit bull Placebo by Karen Delise. I’m not sure how an under educated, media reliant website can gain so much ground with out the facts. DBO is a joke. You want real facts, rely on the AVMA, the American Bar Association, National Canine Research Council, etc… Not some fear mongering people who hid behind masks, and ill gotten data.
Click to access Pit_Bull_Placebo_download.pdf
Sincerely, the girl who was never bit by a pit bull working for a vet clinic, but the schnauzer got me good. Or Sincerely, the girl who was bit in the face by an Australian Shepherd. Or Sincerely the girl who still loves all dogs, pure bred or mutt. Educate don’t discriminate.
~ Brittany
Great post, Brittany. Thanks.
Ditto.
Jack, thank you for writing this.
http://jonathanturley.org/2015/12/10/detroit-man-charged-with-homicide-in-fatal-pit-bull-attack-of-four-year-old-child/#more-95441
Here’s a typical pit bull story, with a thug keeping four unsafe, untrained, maladjusted dogs running as a pack that kill a child. The owner is being prosecuted, but a couple of the comments are typical of Dogsbite logic:
“With all due respect to pit bull owners, they do seem to be involved in many attack so that lead to the deaths of small children. Of course it is clearly a case of a bad owner but I’m am learning toward the banning of this breed from urban settings.”
THAT makes a lot of sense—it is clearly a matter of a bad owner, but blame the breed anyway. Idiots. Then this gem…
“Maybe you guys can get your beloved Trump to ban the breeding of pit bulls, since they kill more in a year in US than your ‘terrists’ do…42 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2014. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 64% (27) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.”
1) what is this guy calling a pit bull?
2) If 6% of dogs owned by drug dealers, criminals and dog abusers were pit bull breeds, then that might be a useful statistic. I don’t know what the real stat is, but I’m sure it’s a lot closer to 64% than 6. Comparing the dogs to terrorists represents the dregs of logic.
American Veterinary Medical Association
Pit Bull Types
Owners of pit bull-type dogs deal with a strong breed stigma, however controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous. The pit bull type is particularly ambiguous as a “breed” encompassing a range of pedigree breeds, informal types and appearances that cannot be reliably identified. Visual determination of dog breed is known to not always be reliable. And witnesses may be predisposed to assume that a vicious dog is of this type.
It should also be considered that the incidence of pit bull-type dogs’ involvement in severe and fatal attacks may represent high prevalence in neighborhoods that present high risk to the young children who are the most common victim of severe or fatal attacks. And as owners of stigmatized breeds are more likely to have involvement in crim- inal and/or violent acts37—breed correlations may have the owner’s behavior as the underlying causal factor.
Breed Bans
While some study authors suggest limiting ownership of specific breeds might reduce injuries (e.g., pit bull type,38 German Shepherd Dog39) it has not been demonstrated that breed-specific bans affect the rate or severity of bite injuries occurring in the community.8 Factors that are reliably associated with serious dog bite injury (requiring hospital treatment) in the United States are the victim being a young child and the dog being familiar (belonging to the family, a family friend or neighbor). Strategies known to result in decreased bite incidents include active enforcement of dog control ordinances (ticketing)42.
Conclusion
Maulings by dogs can cause terrible injuries40 and death—and it is natural for those dealing with the victims to seek to address the immediate causes. Serious bites occur due to a range of factors in which a dog’s size and tem- perament are known to be the risk factors. Also important are dog management factors such as neutering and teth- ering, and child care factors such as supervision around animals.
Given that pit bull-type dogs are not implicated in controlled studies, and the potential role of prevalence and man- agement factors, it is difficult to support the targeting of this breed as a basis for dog bite prevention. If breeds are to be targeted a cluster of large breeds would be implicated including the German shepherd and shepherd crosses and other breeds that vary by location.
Oh, so true! And note Lynn’s weasil words in how she bends her stats to suit her agenda: “pit bulls and their mixes are responsible for . . .” So, a lab pit attacks, is it counted as a lab or a pit? She also thinks any dog called a “mixed breed” is “code” for pit bull. I have a screen shot of her saying, “one dog was a pit bull and the other a lab mix . . . and we all know what that means!” Ugh, what does that mean? And why would they admit to the one pit bull and lie about the other?
I have read that comment somewhere as well. There is quite a few of them that claim to be “animal experts” but the truth is absolutely no of them actually are experts of absolutely anything.
Non-rhetorical question asked from a purely sociological perspective (gathering general and not-to-be attributed information for a sociology paper): What do you make of the countries that have banned pit-bulls. Is there a cultural difference in their relative quickness to ban the breed. Or is the phenomenon attributable to the effectiveness of breed-specific legislators and advocates? Thanks in advance for your reply.
It’s simpler than that. It’s ignorance, fear-mongering, and pandering, equally ignorant law-makers. Most people, even most dog owners, don’t know much about dogs. They read about attacks, are told it is the breed, and what do they care if a breed is banned? Do something! mutates into cruel and irresponsible laws based on bad information and bad process.
It is simple. pit bulls have killed 8 people so far in 2016, all other breeds combined have killed 1. Ignorant people will ignore this trend and rant on about pit bulls don’t exist, etc. If pits don’t exist, why defend them and worry about bans?
According to case law, an “individual of ordinary intelligence” can identify a pit bull. Identifying pit bull type dogs;
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1496137140642653899&q
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=8956919589633806808&
Appeal to authority, and a dumb one. I can find cases that have bad opinions on many issues—that doesn’t mean that “case law” supports it. It means ONE Case takes a position. This is a bad case. You are a bad reader. You are a bad thinker. You are a bad researcher. “Pit bull” is the common name for a type of dog, type meaning things like “big,” “furry,” “with a big head.” It is not a breed. It is a cross between some kind of bull dog and some kind of terrier….you know, like my Jack Russell terrier, which, by the way, some ignoramus like you thought was a pitbull and started screaming once. Formal breeds often considered to be of the “pit bull type” include the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier, as well as The American Bulldog and the bull terrier, white boxers, some mastiffs, and any mix thereof. So “pit bulls killed 8 people” is completely meaningless, especially since people can’t identify dog breeds well. Have you ever interacted with anything you would call a “pit bull”? I’d be surprised. Only utter ignorance could produce an uninformed opinion like yours.
The mixes are favored by drug dealers and dog fighters, and are mistreated and made to be vicious. Those are overwhelmingly the dogs involved in attacks, and it is not the dogs, or the breeding, but the training and abuse. Every dog expert, with oddball exceptions, knows and agrees with this. If all of the bully breeds were wiped out, you would be writing the same junk about Dobermans, German Shepherds or Rotties, because they would be the new abused dogs of choice.
Now get lost. You’re just a hysteric and a dog bigot, and have nothing to contribute. Go cower somewhere. Of get a rescue pit bull breed and learn something.
According to science and the experts, nokjf, you are quite incorrect…and if you want we can review the transcripts of the Charles Manson trial too…they have some weird and wacky statements in them too. I just realized the parallel – your little blog group follows a weird uneducated hippy…wow!
Anyway, as I said before, the peer reviewed science on the subject matter confirms that breed is not a predictor of aggression, the experts say BSL is ineffective AND that visual identification of any dog’s breed has been repeatedly proven to be an ineffective approach as well as the odds of mistaken identification are extremely high.
Again, only because you DBO types seem to think if you keep typing your junk it will become fact (so does the National Enquirier, by the way). Let us look at what the court actually said, shall we nokjf? The Iowa Supreme Court in American Dog Owners Association, Inc. v. City of Des Moines, 469 N.W.2d 416 (Iowa 1991) said at 417 the words “pit hulls, pit bull dogs or pit bull terriers” was fatally vague. The Court stated such language “does leave the reader of ordinary intelligence confused about the breadth of the ordinance’s coverage. Morever, this language also give improperly broad discretion to enforcement personnel, who are free to make the ‘ad hoc’ and subject determinations condemned by Grayned.”
Grayned refers to Grayned v. City of Rockford, 408 U.S. 104 (1972). You see the references to precedents in there at all there nokjf? The court has repeatedly said that a dog’s breed cannot be determined by “a person of ordinary intelligence”, and to be completely honest in this discussion – you have not even come close to reaching the bar of “a person of ordinary intelligence” yet. Thank you for providing me with the opportunity to share the actual case law on the subject matter – as opposed to the junk you spout.
It is a knee jerk reaction. In fact, the UK has tabled a bill to repeal BSL, the studies conducted there concluded that BSL is ineffective. Studies in Spain reached the same conclusion…BSL is ineffective. Moving to Italy, the studies re BSL have confirmed it is ineffective. Same with Australia, the USA and Canada. it is a worldwide opinion of the experts.
Unfortunately, sometimes people get a bit of power and get punch drunk on it, leading them to do things because they can…but without thinking about whether they should or whether there is an actual foundation for their action. Good news though, BSL is being repealed across the world…so they are learning.
MY PERSONAL RESPONSE TO MS. LYNN
After getting your response I did some fact checking of my own. I sort of understand why you have this vendetta against pits. After reading the incident report and your followup statements it seems evident that you created the situation and contributed to the incident through your own carelessness. I would never run up on or close to and startle any dog. When walking or jogging I would give a strange dog a wide berth, just common sense. Instead of going around to the left, you came up suddenly on a large breed dog and it’s walker on a narrow sidewalk. From the reports, the startled dog either got in your way and tripped you or knocked you over. Upon falling you raised your arm and the dog bit it but did not tear at it or shake it violently. I can’t tell if the bone break was from the fall or the bite but I suspect the fall is more probable. The walker immediately pulled the dog away from you and you ran calling for someone to get 911,
You and your attorney got a settlement from the homeowners insurance, the homeowner was cowed into putting his dog down and so lost his pet and companion, the dog lost its life and I’m sure the walker felt just terrible over the whole incident. I don’t see anywhere where you accepted any responsibility for the incident at all. You may be intelligent but common sense and fairness just don’t seem to be there. Just as your ‘story’ shifted about the ‘attack’ your website is full of myths, half truths and downright bad information from the statistics to the labels you stick to the breed. In a way, I feel sorry for you but more sorry for the damage that you and your site does to contribute to the deaths of thousands of innocent animals as well as perpetuating an unfair stereotype.
I hope that someday you wake up and realize just how selfish and wrong you are. I’m not saying that owners should not be held responsible for their animals or that some people shouldn’t be compensated for injury, just that you have gone so far beyond what is reasonable that it makes me cringe.
I’m going to post this as a Comment of the Day, John, a bit later this week. I didn’t check up on the background of Ms. Lynn’s vendetta, and has no idea that it was based on a single incident, and was, indeed, personal. Her website can’t be any worse, but the motives behind it are at least clear. You are much nicer than I would have been.
Jack, you need to read up on her and her “incident”, John has not shared but alludes to the numerous times the alleged “victim” changed her story. It is actually quite interesting – I think fully worth the cost of obtaining a copy of all of the various reports wherein her story grew and grew, and how the facts that she never admits to anywhere seem to point to her own failing…seems to be a trend with DBO.
Definitely worth looking at – I know I found it very interesting that nobody has hit her with this yet…note the yet.
Did you really draw a comparison between the persecution or Jewish people and pit bulls? You can’t seriously equate the two. For example you would take a dog for a walk on a leash. You wouldn’t a human being (one would hope). You make your dog poop outside (you wouldn’t a human being). In other words, humans are autonomous beings with free will, hence the horror of war and what it does by taking away one’s autonomy over one’s own life. Dogs depend on us. We created the breed, we can take it away if we made a mistake. We can stop the line of argument about how pitbulls only attack when they were mistreated. Statistics have proven you wrong. Finally, read the wise words from someone on the front lines of cleaning up your messes, the words from a pediatric plastic surgeon: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/contributors/2014/06/29/doctor-says-ban-pit-bulls/11709481/
I think the proper response here is “you’re an idiot.” I compared the reasoning of bigotry to the reasoning of bigotry. Yes, I really did. And no, I do understand that that dogs don’t wear yarmulkes and study the Torah, have a sect that wears black, forelocks and beards, or are represented in “Fiddler on the Roof.”
The rest of your comment is even more ridiculous and ignorant that your simpleton’s comprehension of the basic principle of analogy. The statistics, if you read anything at all by legitimate dog experts and not hysterics and canine bigots, prove nothing of the sort, and referring to pitbulls as “a breed” all by itself shows that you don’t want facts to impede what you have already decided as true.
Dogs don’t “depend on us” any more than we depend on them, and if dog and master are separated and required to fend for themselves alone, I’ll usually bet on the dog.
A pediatric surgeon is an expert on pitbulls all of a sudden because he deals with dogbites? The article is self-refuting: if pitbulls were “bred to fight and kill,” and these are far from new breeds, isn’t it odd that years ago, he dealt with mostly bites from other breeds? This dummy isn’t even smart enough to conclude the obvious: if pitbull breeds are involved in more biting incidents now, something has changed and it isn’t the breed. Of course, it is the widespread use of members of the breeds for dogfighting and the training of pitbulls to be aggressive. And he can’t connect those dots?
He’s irresponsible, and he’s also a totalitarian. He has no more business telling me what I “need” than I have telling him that his sheltie is a silly, shrunken collie and we don’t need them.
If that’s what you call a persuasive expert opinion, my initial diagnosis is confirmed.
You’re an idiot. But because of you, I would not conclude that all of your breed, aka race, nationality or creed, are also idiots. That’s because I’m not an idiot.
Or a bigot.
Coming momentarily out of self-imposed exile from our flipping insane country:
Your comparisons are apt, Barbara is merely having a hang up thinking you’ve *equated* the 2 when you’ve only actually *analogized* the two.
To assuage barb’s anguish, it should be clearly noted that if the options presented itself of Having to choose one or the other, you’d easily accept the holocaust of a dog species long before the holocaust of a human ethnic group.
But since those aren’t the options, we will oppose the holocaust of a dog breed.
(Not species)
Bingo.
Isn’t it amazing how adamant these people are about non-facts?
I’ll let the name calling slide, Pretty.
I understood your attempt at analogy, my comment to you was that it was tripe, that it was pedestrian. The subjects were ground so far apart, that it killed any truth base, thereby it made zero sense. It was clearly intended to create hysteria. We can ethically ban pit bulls, with the ones already owned grand fathered in like they have done in other countries. We make breeding, and life and death decisions over our dogs all the time.
Sorry but there is no such thing as a single pit bull expert. Or a tooth fairy. If we must try to put a profile of a “pit bull expert” together, we will get a mixed basket,and in that (btw stop with the “it’s not a breed” it’s a collective for a number of breeds: we know) the surgeon who has pieced back the faces of mauled children for 30 years, counts! It counts more than anything you could possibly say on this blog.
He is an expert on the mechanics of pit bull bites, its impact on the human body, what it takes to rehabilitate from it (if survived) and very importantly, precursors of attack. He would be someone included to give expert testimony before a panel making a decision such as a county-wide pit ban. And no one would call him a dummy, and I get the feeling you wouldn’t either if you had a child whose life he had in his hands in the OR.
Many countries have already implemented pit bans, pragmatic countries such as Switzerland who rely on “persuasive expert opinion” and not truly lame analogies with Jews &WWII.
Here is something fabulously bigoted: a magical thinking comrade of yours. He is burying his mauled to death pregnant wife WITH THE PIT that killed her. They were/are pit activists like yourself, pit bull experts even(?) The mind boggles! Such is their denial and yours. No, this one wasn’t trained to fight either, they had it since it was a puppy. No, it was not abused either. It was just a pit bull being sweet until the day it wasn’t and killed its owner, a pregnant woman who lobbied for pits. These types of unprovoked, fatal attacks tally to pit bulls more than to any other breed by a long shot. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027286/Darla-Napora-Pregnant-woman-dies-mauled-pet-dog-living-room.html
Boy, you really can spit out the rationalizations and logical fallacies!
1. “I understood your attempt at analogy, my comment to you was that it was tripe, that it was pedestrian. The subjects were ground so far apart, that it killed any truth base, thereby it made zero sense.”
. The fact that you don’t comprehend the principle of analogy vs equivalency doesn’t invalidate what I wrote. Bigotry is a faulty form of thought, attributing to a group characteristics or actions of individuals, then categorizing the individuals based on the resulting bias against the group. The flawed logic is identical whether the group is dogs, dog breeds, lawyer, Republicans or blacks. Or Jews. Same poor reasoning, with harmful results.
2. I didn’t say there were pitbull experts—like most logically disabled people, you can’t keep your issues straight. See, when I say that a surgeon has no credentials as a pit pull expert, I wasn’t saying the there are such things. There are DOG experts. Breeders, trainers, rescue personnel, and by a ridiculous margin, they pronounce such nonsense as you and the doc spew ignorant nonsense.
3.” We can ethically ban pit bulls, with the ones already owned grand fathered in like they have done in other countries. We make breeding, and life and death decisions over our dogs all the time.”
Let’s see, the “everybody does it” rationalization TWICE, and the logical fallacy that because people make responsible decisions about dogs, that validates vicious and stupid ones based on bias and ignorance. That’s quite a lot of illogic in just 34 words.
Then you liked the #1 unethical rationalization so much that you used it again (that made three in your single post) with this classic: “Many countries have already implemented pit bans, pragmatic countries such as Switzerland…” The last part is the “He /She/They would have done it too” rationalization. It’s formal title is #32. The Unethical Role Model: “He/She would have done the same thing” You seem to be governed by rationalizations, so I’m sure you are a whiz at most of the 60+ on the list, instinctively. So much easier than rational, ethical reasoning.
4. “the surgeon who has pieced back the faces of mauled children for 30 years, counts! It counts more than anything you could possibly say on this blog.” is as pure an example of the fallacy called “Appeal to emotion” as I could possibly imagine. This experience, of course, craetes a bias against teh dogs, and teaches hm nothing about them at all.
5. “He is an expert on the mechanics of pit bull bites, its impact on the human body,”: Then he knows that pit bull breeds are far from the only breeds with strong jaws, and that the mythical “locking” factor is just that. “what it takes to rehabilitate from it (if survived)”…which is utterly irrelevant to whether the dogs are any more inherently dangerous than any other breed.. “and very importantly, precursors of attack.” unless he was on the scene of each attack and witnessed it, he has no expertise here.
“He would be someone included to give expert testimony before a panel making a decision such as a county-wide pit ban.” I’m sure he would That’s how these irresponsible bans happen; biased “experts” like him. “And no one would call him a dummy,” By definition, he’s ignorant and biased about pit bull breeds. “Dummy” is fair. “and I get the feeling you wouldn’t either if you had a child whose life he had in his hands in the OR.” Let’s see: Everybody does it 3; Appeal to emotion, 2. Yes, and I might well hate blacks if a black man raped and murdered my family while screaming “Death to Honkies!” And that would be irrational and wrong…exactly like setting out to destroy harmless, loving dogs because one individual member of one of the several breeds and mixes you hate harmed my child. And you really think this is a logical, reasonable argument, don’t you? You do! See, this is where “idiot” is diagnostic, not an insult. Because, you know, if you had any logic and ethics-based reasoning skills at all, you would know that it is garbage.
By the way, not that you would learn this, but the argument that I would agree with you if my family were eaten by pitbulls is the fallacy known as “False Credentialing.”
6. And finally your grand finish is argument by anecdote, as if a single incident, if horrible enough, proves anything but that bad things happen. This Fallacy is called “Greasing the Slope,” or arguing from worst case scenarios. The anti-gun lobby loves this one. It is, of course, hysterical, but those who use it, like those persuaded by it, just aren’t smart enough to see it.
While we’re on the subject of irrational arguments: stop throwing the empirical baby out with the theoretical bathwater, mkay? We are not talking about one naughty individual member of a breed who caused the whole breed to be misunderstood.
The anecdote, the “single incident” you dismiss, is one of many thousands happening to shell shocked owners and unlucky neighbors yearly all over this country. This exact scenario, the pitbull who was adored and loved its whole life and who turned bat shit crazy happens all too often. Beyond the unpredictable, unprovoked nature of these, the brutality is also unmatched:not a single bite or two, but a sustained mauling akin to a grizzly attack, so countries are taking notice and action. Which is the ONLY ethical thing to do. Who says role models can only be unethical? I say The “Ethical Role Model: He/She would have done the same thing” argument is just as convincing. There are many good ideas we can borrow from other countries. This is one of them.
Pitbull racism is not a legally acknowledged phenomenon. Most courts have found that breed-specific bans are constitutional because owning a dog is not a fundamental right. Pitbulls are banned on all army and air force bases already. Your compass needs a tune up.
You are persistent, if illogical. If you aren’t claiming that one incident should change minds, then don’t cite single incidents. You don’t have the courage or integrity to admit to your own tactics.
As you claim to know, but then discard when inconvenient, “pit bulls” are many breeds, some AKC recognized, and some not, mixed breeds and non-pit bull types mistaken for pits and included in stats anyway. There are not “many thousands” of fatal attacks: last year there were less than forty, and among the dogs involved were Rotties, Huskies, Bulldogs, German Shepherds, mixes, and dog packs. And, yes, “pitbulls,” which is meaningless, since the term is a generic. But to you, they are the only breed distinction that counts, of course. Among the incidents are those involving clear child endangerment, abused dogs, infants left alone with dogs,dogs that had been abused: human error, utter stupidity and dog mismanagement. The dog breeds are not the problem.
So now you’re just making stuff up. Pitbull breeds are no more likely to turn on their owners than any breed. They are not some kind of dog monster that acts differently from other dogs. Dogs the are trained to be vicious, dogs that are abused, THEY act this way. More pitbulls are abused and trained to be vicious. Kill all pitbulls, and another breed would be used for dogfights and trained to be fearful and vicious.
Now you argue that bigotry and bias against dog breeds doesn’t exist because it isn’t illegal. You have nothing, and you just jump from rationalizations, to fake statistics, to lies, to generalizations, to nonsense.
This was your last comment. Your single-minded idiocy pollutes the blog, and wastes my time.
Barb, Barb, Barb…most people would be smart enough not to post junk news articles containing statements by someone whose very own little article failed peer review (yes, that is right – we cannot call it a peer reviewed study if it failed peer review, now can we). That is the purpose of peer review, Barb, so that it can be challenged when it contains non-factual and subject information. When challenged, the writer has an opportunity to respond with facts and science to provide the statement in their study…when they cannot or do not respond at all – failure. You may want to stop referring to the embarrassing stuff when you post – oh wait, that leaves nothing. How about you post one peer reviewed study (that passed peer review – otherwise it is just a little article) on the actual subject matter at hand Barb. We will wait….anticipating crickets, or verbosity with no substance. I have been around for a long time, so I know there is not one.
You tell my 30 yeaR old daughter who was biking in a leased area in river valley , who was attacked by 2 Rotwiellers. They bit her leg and tried to pull her off bicycle. All while owners just called the dogs and left. They just left her bleeding and took off. Why is that?Didn’t even try to help her.
Tetanus shot and scars 3 years later. What can you say to justify your friendly dogs?
Read how pitbulls got there name from.
Perfect example of emotional, illogical, irrational arguments, Pat. Thanks..I may cite it in the future.
You do know Rottweilers aren’t pitbulls, so you are essentially arguing against all large dogs based on one incident. That really seem fair and logical to you? Sad. One incident and one set of owners proves nothing…are you also going to argue that all dog owners are like those? Why not? I don’t have to say anything to “justify” pit bull breeds; they justify themselves in every way, unless they are abused or trained to attack.
Wow!! This “RAG” is as accurate as, lets say “The Star” or “national enquier”…..seriously!!!
I have a loving adoring Anerican Stafforshire and a Staffie. Both very loving. You are an idiot to hate. Only morons hate
I have been rescuing pit bulls for many years and think they are wonderful and very misunderstood. That being said I have just recently began to read all of the anti-pit bull propaganda and investigated further the 2 people that seem to run this “pony show” Merrit Clifton and Coleen Lynn. I can not believe that people will continue to follow them and believe a word that they utter or type rather. They are like vultures trolling the internet looking for “re-tweets” they can post to prove their lying a$$es. Pathetic and shameful. Thank you for trying to shed more light on there circus!
I have 9 pit bulls.
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Jack Marshall,
Let me make this clear to you. I don’t give a $hit if its a poodle or a pit. To morons own and defend pits, and hardheaded fu(ks like you are the reason we hate the breed.
“Can you control your dog?”
“Don’t worry, he won’t bite.”
Yeah, so said the lady before the dog took a chunk out of my leg. I have right to not be attacked in the street, you fu(k. Let me wave a gun in your face to keep you under control, and tell you to deal with it.
“Don’t worry, it won’t go off.” I can’t do that, but you can let your fu(kin’ dog roam the streets?
Yeah, fu(k you.
It’s a fu(kin’ dog. It’s a fu(kin’ dog. It’s a fu(kin’ dog.
Yeah a-hole…A fu(kin’ animal…if you want to be a pack leader, that’s your prerogative. I don’t need to deal with humans that have a greater attachment to animals than other humans. You want to live on a farm like an animal, go right ahead.
Human > dog.
Dealing with a moron human like you is one thing. Having a lethal weapon in your house that can attack an innocent child is another. It’s not my job to deal with an untrained animal. I have the right to be safe and not have my family be scared.
If I can’t kill the human without going to jail, lord knows the dog will be killed, poisoned, stabbed, pepper sprayed whatever it takes. Anyone that thinks otherwise has a mental disease. Humans > animal.
You dog biter apologizers make me sick. It’s always the human’s fault.
I hope you get mauled you fu(k. Maybe it’ll change your mind.
Thanks for the entertainment, Senator! (Fake e-mail and no real name by the way: per se ban-worthy, but you’re a smug and profane dummy, so I’m going to have some fun.)
You don’t care if it’s a poodle or a pit, but you blame pits. Got it. Moron score +10.
You think People who actually know the breed and how to handle them are morons, and ignorant, emotional bigots—like you!—are not. Moron score +25.
One irresponsible dog owner—I’m making the big assumption here that you didn’t poke the dog that bit you in the eye or try to lick his balls–and you conclude that the breed is a problem. Wow. Moron score +15
You hate the breed because of the people who defend the breed. THAT’S logical. Moron score +50.
Nobody here has argued that animals have superior or equal rights with human beings, but you think that’s the argument. Idiot. Moron score +50.
You think using “fuck” is persuasive advocacy. Moron score +1,000,0450.
You use fuck every other word, but think it’s polite, or clever, or something to spell it “fu)k.” Off the charts: Moron Score: 798,546,989,345,030.8
You still call pitbull breeds “lethal weapons,” because you’ve made up your tiny mind and don’t care about facts. The mark of a cretin! Moron score +250.
All dogs have to be trained, and nobody says otherwise. If a human doesn’t train a breed, he or she is 100% libel and to blame, not the dog, for anything the dog does. You can’t see this, because you are too stupid to live. Moron score +675
Comparing human murder to animal behavior is proof of a lame brain, and floor-licking ignorance. Dogs don’t have malice or motive. Moron score +50
Nobody said that it is ALWAYS a human’s fault when someone is bitten. Just 98% of the time. Wilful ignorance. Moron score +200
Get someone to add your score for you, Ted. I’m pretty sure it means you would lose a Scrabble game to a sea sponge.
This picture of the smiling white pit bull is the best pit picture ever! I’ve seen it a few times, and I just love it. I thought your article was great. Totally enjoyed it. The only thing I will mention is that most of Michael Vick’s fighting dogs were rehabilitated into family pets. I suspect you know that, but a lot of other people might not.
I agree!
Wow you are certainly unhinged. thanks for providing a laugh this morning Mr. Kennedy. I hope you don’t have high blood pressure LOLOL
You know, WordPress doesn’t filter out profanity, so you don’t have use special characters to get the word to come though.
Dummy.
Awwww you deleted his post!
He was already banned. I’m wondering if I would have banned him just for an incredibly stupid post, if he hadn’t misspelled “fuck” repeatedly.
All of these articles bashing dogsbite.org, doesn’t even mention all the stories about the poor children who died by the hands of their family pet. Are we supposed to believe all these stories are made up? What gives?
What gives is that you don’t know what you are talking about. 1) The pets are often mis-ID’d in news reports as “pit bulls.” 2) Small children and large dogs shouldn’t be left unsupervised. 3) Kids abuse animals. Poke the nicest dog in the world in the eye or ear, and it might snap. 4) Some of those “pets” have also been abused.
Ann, this is the list of people killed by dogs in Canada from 1964 to 2010:
Katherine Koitai (8 years old) – Chow Chow; Rita Angmalik (11 years old) – Sled Dog; Michelle Whitehead – Sled Dog; Jennifer Needham (17 months old) – Maremma Sheepdog; Lang Forsyth (6 years old) – German Shepherd; Desmond McKay (3 years old) – strays; Child Unnamed (3 years old) – Sled Dog; Jonathan King (3 years old) – Rottweiler; Leah Tikivik (6 years old) – Sled Dogs; Courtney Trempe (8 years old) – Bull Mastiff; Daniel Obed (10 years old) and Betty Gauntlett (44 years old) – Labrador Huskies; Kelson Frogg (8 years old) – Strays; Child Unnamed (3 years old) – Husky cross; Nicolas Boudreau (2 years old) – Husky; Morris Lockhart (2 years old) – Husky Cross; Cecilia Alook (5 years old) – Pack of stray dogs of mixed breed; Kyra-Lee Sibthorpe (2 years old) – Rottweiler & Labrador Cross; James Waddell (4 years old) – Rottweilers; Eugene Tuccaro (12 Years Old) – Sled Dogs; Richard Scott (3 years old) – Sled Dogs; Child Unnamed (5 years old) – Loose unnamed dogs; Angela Monaghan (20 months old) – Golden Retriever; Steven Sirosky (6 years old) – Chained Unidentified Breed; Suzzanah Wootten (5 years old) – Sled Dogs; Roy Beardy (5 years old) – Sled Dogs; David Moses (3 years old) – Tied Dog Team; Bella Nidipchie (37 years old) – Sled Dogs; Unnamed Child (5 years old) – Unnamed breed of loose dogs; Patrick Cadorette (3 moonths old) – Husky; Gus Apostolakos (9 years old) – Guard dogs fighting with strays; Unnamed Child (3 years old) – Husky Sled Dogs; Nolton Nanninga (3 years old) – Farm Dogs; Dawn Witowski (5 years old) – German Shepherd Cross; F. Tremblay-Juneau (17 months old) German Shepherd; Michael Purtill (4 years old – Doberman Rottweiler Cross; Travis Colomb (4 years old) – German Shepherd Cross; Cody Fontaine (3 years old) – Colllies and Rottweilers; John Martin (77 years old) Labrador Cross; Rory Clipping (3 years old) – Husky Cross; Derian Bird (2 years old) – Husky Crosses; Lance Ribbonleg (5 years old) – Mixed Breeds; Unnamed Child (5 years old – Pack of Stray Dogs; Korie Lyn Edwards (17 months old) – Shepherd Rottweiler Cross; Keith Iron (9 years old) – Mixed Breeds of roaming neglected dogs; Samock Akpalialuk (4 years old) – Sled Dogs; and Unnamed Child (21 days old) – Husky?Do you really care about the victims of dogs?
What do you say to their families Ann? Is their pain just so low on your radar that you do not care? It would seem that your little anti-pit bull comment indicates you do not. These people were killed, even after a breed ban, because the people who spend our tax dollars want to blame someone when they do not want to do their job. Here is the reality – effective animal control does not include taking the lazy way out. Effective animal control does not include breed bans. Effective animal control does not waste tax paying society’s money. Effective animal control speaks for all victims (maybe not for the ones that the DBO group makes up – you cannot speak for those that are not actually real).